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Aspartame and Implants – the Roberts view

Question:

>my goodness … such gobbelygood … confusion is the devil’s tool … >nice try, >so many words to cover up the fact that you Quack$poke & lied when claiming: >Anti-aspartame campaigner Betty Martini has been telling people about >a new book by Dr H J Roberts which is going to lift the lid on the >scandal that covers up the fact that 250 million people get MS (or >lupus, or AIDS, or hives, or scurvy, or …) every day by consuming >aspartame.

You still haven’t answered this: Now, back to my original question. As Betty Martini is now promoting the works of someone who says, quite categorically and clearly, that "most researchers have failed to provide convincing clinical or investigational proof that these implants induce immune reactions, which purportedly caused severe systemic symptoms",  why is Ilena still supporting Betty? One can only assume that Dr Roberts is a shill for the silicone manufacturers, but surely Betty must be tarred with the same brush now that she is promoting this guru. Mad – Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon Bad – The Millenium Project    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Sad – Full Canvas Jacket       http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

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. As Betty Martini is now promoting **the works of someone who says, quite categorically and clearly, that **"most researchers have failed to provide convincing clinical or **investigational proof that these implants induce immune reactions, **which purportedly caused severe systemic symptoms",  why is Ilena **still supporting Betty? One can only assume that Dr Roberts is a shill **for the silicone manufacturers, but surely Betty must be tarred with **the same brush now that she is promoting this guru. QuackQuackQuack you say? Only in QuackLand would anyone come up with your drivel … Your assumptions are just Quacking … There are MANY people with whom I disagree  (either on one point or many) and I still respect their work and their strengths … only a Quack/Junk$cience Flack like Ratz would repeat this stupid question …

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Thank you for the data on the book.  I have read several articles about the dangers of aspartame including one that says the results of drinking diet drinks with aspartame on an airplane can cause serious and even fatal consequences.  I have also heard discussions on how the implants were deemed responsible for conditions in women with NO evidence that they have done so.  I don’t believe in witch hunts, but in holding the correct party responsible and accountable.  It seems that the implant suppliers and manufacturers were an orchestrated witch hunt victim. Thanks,  Rita – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Anti-aspartame campaigner Betty Martini has been telling people about > a new book by Dr H J Roberts which is going to lift the lid on the > scandal that covers up the fact that 250 million people get MS (or > lupus, or AIDS, or hives, or scurvy, or …) every day by consuming > aspartame. > I was looking for Dr Roberts’ latest book at Amazon and I came across > an earlier book called "Breast Implants Or Aspartame (Nutrasweet(r)) > Disease? : The Suppressed Opinion About Perceived Medicolegal > Travesty". > The book description says: > The silicone breast implant litigation culminated in a proposed $3.2 > billion settlement filed on November 9, 1998. A major issue, > however, has been ignored by the medical profession, attorneys, the > courts, and even the corporate defendant. Specifically, most > researchers have failed to provide convincing clinical or > investigational proof that these implants induce immune reactions, > which purportedly caused severe systemic symptoms. A special > court-appointed scientific panel concurred. Yet, huge punitive > damages were awarded in this legal quagmire. > Dr. Roberts emphasizes the lack of convincing evidence for this > premise. He stresses the remarkable overlap of symptoms in these > patients and among persons suffering aspartame disease (severe > reactions to aspartame products)… a condition he has researched on > a corporate-neutral basis for 15 years. "Diet" products are being > consumed in large amounts by figure-conscious women, who represent > the same socioeconomic group usually requesting breast implants. His > data base (listed) of 1,200 aspartame reactors – most women – > underscores the frequency of reproducible headache, dizziness, > confusion, memory loss, seizures, insomnia, chronic fatigue, > hypoglycemia, dryness of the eyes and mouth, joint pain, rashes, > hair loss and atypical pain. > Here’s the important part, though: > Commentary By Author: "Even though this matter is controversial, my > inability to obtain any forum for these perspectives over a > five-year period represents a disturbing commentary on contemporary > medical and general journalism. The exhorbitant awards for dubious > litigation in the absence of such input underscore this perceived > travesty." > So, would anyone like to comment on Dr Roberts’ opinion that the > compensation ordered for women supposedly harmed by breast implants is > "a travesty" based on "dubious litigation". > Ilena, are you listening? Do you still support Betty Martini now that > you know that she is championing someone who is opposed to your cause. > Mad – Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon > Bad – The Millenium Project    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles > Sad – Full Canvas Jacket       http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

Response:

my goodness … such gobbelygood … confusion is the devil’s tool … nice try, so many words to cover up the fact that you Quack$poke & lied when claiming:

Anti-aspartame campaigner Betty Martini has been telling people about a new book by Dr H J Roberts which is going to lift the lid on the scandal that covers up the fact that 250 million people get MS (or lupus, or AIDS, or hives, or scurvy, or …) every day by consuming aspartame.

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**> **> **>**>250 MILLION EVERY DAY?     **>** **>**No, Betty didn’t actually say that. **> **>thanks for another fine example of Quack$peak. **> **>you Junk$cientists & HealthFrauds censor her from your board and list, **>mock her, claim she is too verbose, and then make up lies and claim she **>says them. **> **>well done … this will be listed in my Junk$cientists on Parade page … ** **Let me just go over this again: ** **Ilena quotes me saying "No, Betty didn’t actually say that" and uses **this as an example of where I "make up lies and claim she says them". ** **Once again, just in case I haven’t got I right: ** **Ilena says that I "make up lies and claim she says them" by saying **"Betty didn’t actually say that". So "didn’t actually say" means the **same as "claim she says". ** **I think I understand Quacklogic now. I’m glad we cleared that up. ** **Now, back to my original question. As Betty Martini is now promoting **the works of someone who says, quite categorically and clearly, that **"most researchers have failed to provide convincing clinical or **investigational proof that these implants induce immune reactions, **which purportedly caused severe systemic symptoms",  why is Ilena **still supporting Betty? One can only assume that Dr Roberts is a shill **for the silicone manufacturers, but surely Betty must be tarred with **the same brush now that she is promoting this guru. ** **Mad – Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon **Bad – The Millenium Project    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles **Sad – Full Canvas Jacket       http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Anti-aspartame campaigner Betty Martini has been telling people about >>a new book by Dr H J Roberts which is going to lift the lid on the >>scandal that covers up the fact that 250 million people get MS (or >>lupus, or AIDS, or hives, or scurvy, or …) every day by consuming >>aspartame. >250 MILLION EVERY DAY?     >No, Betty didn’t actually say that. It’s my extrapolation from the >terrible dangers of aspartame as described by Betty Martini and her >followers (it is apparently the most deadly chemical known to man) and >the fact that 250 million doses of the stuff are consumed each day. >Therefore, if Betty is right, we would expect to see that number of >damaged people daily. >Somehow, I miss seeing them. This is one of the reasons that I doubt >some of the anti-aspartame rhetoric. Oh, let’s be honest, ALL of the >anti-aspartame rhetoric.

Well then go ahead and feel free to fill your body with this chemical. >It’s that same big number problem that can’t be answered by the >anti-fluoride, anti-amalgam and anti-vaccination campaigners. If >something very dangerous is administered hundreds of millions of times >(or even billions of times) then the results should be so obvious that >nobody could  dispute them.

They will be someday. There are millions of people who are finding NO answers from conventional medicine because they think mercury in the mouth is safe. Utterly stupid. http://www.cfsn.com/ADArebut.html Jan

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >**>250 MILLION EVERY DAY?     >** >**No, Betty didn’t actually say that. >thanks for another fine example of Quack$peak. >you Junk$cientists & HealthFrauds censor her from your board and list, >mock her, claim she is too verbose, and then make up lies and claim she >says them. >well done … this will be listed in my Junk$cientists on Parade page …

Let me just go over this again: Ilena quotes me saying "No, Betty didn’t actually say that" and uses this as an example of where I "make up lies and claim she says them". Once again, just in case I haven’t got I right: Ilena says that I "make up lies and claim she says them" by saying "Betty didn’t actually say that". So "didn’t actually say" means the same as "claim she says". I think I understand Quacklogic now. I’m glad we cleared that up. Now, back to my original question. As Betty Martini is now promoting the works of someone who says, quite categorically and clearly, that "most researchers have failed to provide convincing clinical or investigational proof that these implants induce immune reactions, which purportedly caused severe systemic symptoms",  why is Ilena still supporting Betty? One can only assume that Dr Roberts is a shill for the silicone manufacturers, but surely Betty must be tarred with the same brush now that she is promoting this guru. Mad – Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon Bad – The Millenium Project    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Sad – Full Canvas Jacket       http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

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**>250 MILLION EVERY DAY?     ** **No, Betty didn’t actually say that. thanks for another fine example of Quack$peak. you Junk$cientists & HealthFrauds censor her from your board and list, mock her, claim she is too verbose, and then make up lies and claim she says them. well done … this will be listed in my Junk$cientists on Parade page …

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**Ilena, are you listening? Do you still support Betty Martini now that **you know that she is championing someone who is opposed to your cause. I fully support Ms. Martini in expressing her opinions and beliefs … both the ones with which I agree and the ones I don’t … I further find the HealthFrauds and Junk$cientist’s behavior’s (such as the disgusting ways of Sock Puppet Stella Ros Dalefield) in throwing Ms. Martini off the HF list and then mocking her typical of their Censorship and Quack behaviors. What I wonder is why my opinion matters to you.

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>Anti-aspartame campaigner Betty Martini has been telling people about >a new book by Dr H J Roberts which is going to lift the lid on the >scandal that covers up the fact that 250 million people get MS (or >lupus, or AIDS, or hives, or scurvy, or …) every day by consuming >aspartame.

250 MILLION EVERY DAY?     Tsu Dho Nimh If we are what we eat, I’m fast, cheap and easy

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>>Anti-aspartame campaigner Betty Martini has been telling people about >a new book by Dr H J Roberts which is going to lift the lid on the >scandal that covers up the fact that 250 million people get MS (or >lupus, or AIDS, or hives, or scurvy, or …) every day by consuming >aspartame. >250 MILLION EVERY DAY?    

No, Betty didn’t actually say that. It’s my extrapolation from the terrible dangers of aspartame as described by Betty Martini and her followers (it is apparently the most deadly chemical known to man) and the fact that 250 million doses of the stuff are consumed each day. Therefore, if Betty is right, we would expect to see that number of damaged people daily. Somehow, I miss seeing them. This is one of the reasons that I doubt some of the anti-aspartame rhetoric. Oh, let’s be honest, ALL of the anti-aspartame rhetoric. It’s that same big number problem that can’t be answered by the anti-fluoride, anti-amalgam and anti-vaccination campaigners. If something very dangerous is administered hundreds of millions of times (or even billions of times) then the results should be so obvious that nobody could  dispute them. Mad – Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon Bad – The Millenium Project    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Sad – Full Canvas Jacket       http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

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Anti-aspartame campaigner Betty Martini has been telling people about a new book by Dr H J Roberts which is going to lift the lid on the scandal that covers up the fact that 250 million people get MS (or lupus, or AIDS, or hives, or scurvy, or …) every day by consuming aspartame. I was looking for Dr Roberts’ latest book at Amazon and I came across an earlier book called "Breast Implants Or Aspartame (Nutrasweet(r)) Disease? : The Suppressed Opinion About Perceived Medicolegal Travesty". The book description says: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The silicone breast implant litigation culminated in a proposed $3.2 > billion settlement filed on November 9, 1998. A major issue, > however, has been ignored by the medical profession, attorneys, the > courts, and even the corporate defendant. Specifically, most > researchers have failed to provide convincing clinical or > investigational proof that these implants induce immune reactions, > which purportedly caused severe systemic symptoms. A special > court-appointed scientific panel concurred. Yet, huge punitive > damages were awarded in this legal quagmire. > Dr. Roberts emphasizes the lack of convincing evidence for this > premise. He stresses the remarkable overlap of symptoms in these > patients and among persons suffering aspartame disease (severe > reactions to aspartame products)… a condition he has researched on > a corporate-neutral basis for 15 years. "Diet" products are being > consumed in large amounts by figure-conscious women, who represent > the same socioeconomic group usually requesting breast implants. His > data base (listed) of 1,200 aspartame reactors – most women – > underscores the frequency of reproducible headache, dizziness, > confusion, memory loss, seizures, insomnia, chronic fatigue, > hypoglycemia, dryness of the eyes and mouth, joint pain, rashes, > hair loss and atypical pain.

Here’s the important part, though: > Commentary By Author: "Even though this matter is controversial, my > inability to obtain any forum for these perspectives over a > five-year period represents a disturbing commentary on contemporary > medical and general journalism. The exhorbitant awards for dubious > litigation in the absence of such input underscore this perceived > travesty."

So, would anyone like to comment on Dr Roberts’ opinion that the compensation ordered for women supposedly harmed by breast implants is "a travesty" based on "dubious litigation". Ilena, are you listening? Do you still support Betty Martini now that you know that she is championing someone who is opposed to your cause. Mad – Quintessence of the Loon http://www.ratbags.com/loon Bad – The Millenium Project    http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Sad – Full Canvas Jacket       http://www.ratbags.com/ranters

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