Aids HIV FAQ

Freedom of Choice and Drug Use (Was Melatonin Users)

Question:

: >I understand that the FDA is concerned about this : >because when you take too much, the pineal gland becomes "lazy" and : >internal synthesis is altered or stops. : Do you have a reference for this?  I thought that there was evidence that the : pineal gland does not alter production with external melatonin (unfortunately : I don’t have a reference for this!) : BDR Yes I remember something on the Medline, I saw it last summer, so it is probably from the first six months of 1995. It didn’t explicitely say though that the pineal gland stops producing melatonin but they saw differences in the texture, the cell structure. So, who knows.

Response:

If you think it is well-nigh impossible to explain the toxic side-effects of certain psychoactive medications to the layperson, then you are definitely out of your league with regards your chosen profession. In fact, it is nothing but informed consent that is ethical!

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>I understand that the FDA is concerned about this >because when you take too much, the pineal gland becomes "lazy" and >internal synthesis is altered or stops.

Do you have a reference for this?  I thought that there was evidence that the pineal gland does not alter production with external melatonin (unfortunately I don’t have a reference for this!) BDR

Response:

: I think you are confusing freedom with chaos. Personally, I like to : know that when I drive through a green light at an intersection that : there is a pretty good chance that the person crossing my path will : stop at his red. I like the fact that I can go to my grocery store and : buy a pack of cheese without having to worry about whether I am going : to get salle manilla poisoning. A government that didn’t regulate I usually go to the culture.russian newsgroup for good jokes, didn’t really expect a good laugh here, but this was good. Thanks. Anything else? So what does this look like? Kind of yellow?

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>Right now melatonin is riding >high on the fact that people are used to assuming what they buy is safe >and on the backs of ignorant platitudes like "If its is natural it must >be safe", yeah like cobra venom and hemlock. A lot of people are going >to get sick because they are incapable of figuring out what is safe and >what is not but don’t know it. The next time some "miracle cure" roles >around I don’t want my child to be able to pull it off the shelf, or my >sister to be raped by some poor slob who has got wacked out of his head >on something he thought was safe.

I am also concerned about taking extra melatonin when one is not sure of individual need.  I understand that the FDA is concerned about this because when you take too much, the pineal gland becomes "lazy" and internal synthesis is altered or stops.  When we make our own Melatonin, it is synthesized  from another brain hormone called 5-HT or serotonin.  Does taking melatonin also upset 5-HT metabolism?  No one really knows. The safest way to get good sleep is to let your body produce its own Melatonin. There is a safe alternative to Melatonin: Aqua Resonance PM and Aloe Nighttime in conjunction with Antioxidant defense and Osteocare create an optimum environment for internal synthesis.  Let your body do what it was designed to do. Gilbert Ng, Ph.D. http://www.hk.super.net/~gng/health.html Path: lynx.unm.edu!chaos.aoc.nrao.edu!newshost.nmt.edu!baervan.nmt.edu!tesuque .cs.sandia.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!newsxfer.itd .umich.edu!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.seri.re.k r!news.imnet.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.iij.ad.jp!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk .super.net!usenet Path: lynx.unm.edu!somasf.unm.edu!gng Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Path: lynx.unm.edu!somasf.unm.edu!gng Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Path: lynx.unm.edu!somasf.unm.edu!gng Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

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>Right now melatonin is riding >high on the fact that people are used to assuming what they buy is safe >and on the backs of ignorant platitudes like "If its is natural it must >be safe", yeah like cobra venom and hemlock. A lot of people are going >to get sick because they are incapable of figuring out what is safe and >what is not but don’t know it. The next time some "miracle cure" roles >around I don’t want my child to be able to pull it off the shelf, or my >sister to be raped by some poor slob who has got wacked out of his head >on something he thought was safe.

I am also concerned about taking extra melatonin when one is not sure of individual need.  I understand that the FDA is concerned about this because when you take too much, the pineal gland becomes "lazy" and internal synthesis is altered or stops.  When we make our own Melatonin, it is synthesized  from another brain hormone called 5-HT or serotonin.  Does taking melatonin also upset 5-HT metabolism?  No one really knows. The safest way to get good sleep is to let your body produce its own Melatonin. There is a safe alternative to Melatonin: Aqua Resonance PM and Aloe Nighttime in conjunction with Antioxidant defense and Osteocare create an optimum environment for internal synthesis.  Let your body do what it was designed to do. Gilbert Ng, Ph.D. http://www.hk.super.net/~gng/health.html Path: lynx.unm.edu!chaos.aoc.nrao.edu!newshost.nmt.edu!baervan.nmt.edu!tesuque .cs.sandia.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!newsxfer.itd .umich.edu!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.seri.re.k r!news.imnet.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.iij.ad.jp!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk .super.net!usenet Path: lynx.unm.edu!somasf.unm.edu!gng Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Path: lynx.unm.edu!somasf.unm.edu!gng Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

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>Right now melatonin is riding >high on the fact that people are used to assuming what they buy is safe >and on the backs of ignorant platitudes like "If its is natural it must >be safe", yeah like cobra venom and hemlock. A lot of people are going >to get sick because they are incapable of figuring out what is safe and >what is not but don’t know it. The next time some "miracle cure" roles >around I don’t want my child to be able to pull it off the shelf, or my >sister to be raped by some poor slob who has got wacked out of his head >on something he thought was safe.

I am also concerned about taking extra melatonin when one is not sure of individual need.  I understand that the FDA is concerned about this because when you take too much, the pineal gland becomes "lazy" and internal synthesis is altered or stops.  When we make our own Melatonin, it is synthesized  from another brain hormone called 5-HT or serotonin.  Does taking melatonin also upset 5-HT metabolism?  No one really knows. The safest way to get good sleep is to let your body produce its own Melatonin. There is a safe alternative to Melatonin: Aqua Resonance PM and Aloe Nighttime in conjunction with Antioxidant defense and Osteocare create an optimum environment for internal synthesis.  Let your body do what it was designed to do. Gilbert Ng, Ph.D. http://www.hk.super.net/~gng/health.html Path: lynx.unm.edu!chaos.aoc.nrao.edu!newshost.nmt.edu!baervan.nmt.edu!tesuque .cs.sandia.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!newsxfer.itd .umich.edu!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.seri.re.k r!news.imnet.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.iij.ad.jp!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk .super.net!usenet Path: lynx.unm.edu!somasf.unm.edu!gng Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

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>Right now melatonin is riding >high on the fact that people are used to assuming what they buy is safe >and on the backs of ignorant platitudes like "If its is natural it must >be safe", yeah like cobra venom and hemlock. A lot of people are going >to get sick because they are incapable of figuring out what is safe and >what is not but don’t know it. The next time some "miracle cure" roles >around I don’t want my child to be able to pull it off the shelf, or my >sister to be raped by some poor slob who has got wacked out of his head >on something he thought was safe.

I am also concerned about taking extra melatonin when one is not sure of individual need.  I understand that the FDA is concerned about this because when you take too much, the pineal gland becomes "lazy" and internal synthesis is altered or stops.  When we make our own Melatonin, it is synthesized  from another brain hormone called 5-HT or serotonin.  Does taking melatonin also upset 5-HT metabolism?  No one really knows. The safest way to get good sleep is to let your body produce its own Melatonin. There is a safe alternative to Melatonin: Aqua Resonance PM and Aloe Nighttime in conjunction with Antioxidant defense and Osteocare create an optimum environment for internal synthesis.  Let your body do what it was designed to do. Gilbert Ng, Ph.D. http://www.hk.super.net/~gng/health.html

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>Right now melatonin is riding >high on the fact that people are used to assuming what they buy is safe >and on the backs of ignorant platitudes like "If its is natural it must >be safe", yeah like cobra venom and hemlock. A lot of people are going >to get sick because they are incapable of figuring out what is safe and >what is not but don’t know it. The next time some "miracle cure" roles >around I don’t want my child to be able to pull it off the shelf, or my >sister to be raped by some poor slob who has got wacked out of his head >on something he thought was safe.

I am also concerned about taking extra melatonin when one is not sure of individual need.  I understand that the FDA is concerned about this because when you take too much, the pineal gland becomes "lazy" and internal synthesis is altered or stops.  When we make our own Melatonin, it is synthesized  from another brain hormone called 5-HT or serotonin.  Does taking melatonin also upset 5-HT metabolism?  No one really knows. The safest way to get good sleep is to let your body produce its own Melatonin. There is a safe alternative to Melatonin: Aqua Resonance PM and Aloe Nighttime in conjunction with Antioxidant defense and Osteocare create an optimum environment for internal synthesis.  Let your body do what it was designed to do. Gilbert Ng, Ph.D. http://www.hk.super.net/~gng/health.html Path: lynx.unm.edu!chaos.aoc.nrao.edu!newshost.nmt.edu!baervan.nmt.edu!tesuque .cs.sandia.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!newsxfer.itd .umich.edu!agate!usenet.kornet.nm.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.seri.re.k r!news.imnet.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.iij.ad.jp!nntp.hk.super.net!tst.hk .super.net!usenet

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I think you are confusing freedom with chaos. Personally, I like to know that when I drive through a green light at an intersection that there is a pretty good chance that the person crossing my path will stop at his red. I like the fact that I can go to my grocery store and buy a pack of cheese without having to worry about whether I am going to get salle manilla poisoning. A government that didn’t regulate quality and safety of products would produce a society with less choice than we have now. People would have to be so cautious about everything they bought and used, that very little new stuff that promoted the legitimate good would make it through. Right now melatonin is riding high on the fact that people are used to assuming what they buy is safe and on the backs of ignorant platitudes like "If its is natural it must be safe", yeah like cobra venom and hemlock. A lot of people are going to get sick because they are incapable of figuring out what is safe and what is not but don’t know it. The next time some "miracle cure" roles around I don’t want my child to be able to pull it off the shelf, or my sister to be raped by some poor slob who has got wacked out of his head on something he thought was safe. Yes, informed consent is a great idea in theory, but there is a lot of problems with it in reality. First, it is not possible to inform most people as to the hazards of most drugs. I am in my fourth year of formal studies in psychopharmacology and I am still discovering disturbing things about drugs that would be damn near impossible to explain to laymen. Second, there are many pig-ignorant people who think they get it or frankly don’t care and unfortunately what happens to them affects us all, through crime, lost productivity, accidents, disease resistance, etc… If you care about things like US competitiveness and the economy, education, child-wellfare, rape and child molestation, the rising costs of healthcare, drug resistance plagues, the homeless, the spread of STD’s like aids, the spread of non-STDS linked to AIDS like TB into the general population etc… You have to realize what happens in one person’s body affects us all. The irresponsible use of medication by doctors costs us all an incalculable amount both directly and indirectly, what would the costs be if anybody had the right to put anything in their body. I think that the system we have now, especially the "War on Drugs" is a travesty. I would be in favor of many other systems that decriminalized drug use. I think that we need to evolve social and legal structures that limit the damage that irresponsible use causes instead of pretending to lock away the problem behind bars. Nonetheless I find the notion that a free market/personal responsibility ethic could handle anything like the regulation of drugs and pharmaceuticals ridiculously childish. Commensurate with looking back at the American frontier as a time when people like John Wayne roamed the the country depensing "real justice" from their six-shooter. We didn’t need laws then why should we need them now. I invite you to find one functioning society that leaves drug use up to individual discretion and I’ll find you a dozen others that fell apart because they did. You might ignore the laws and social sanctions we have around alchohol today and claim that that is a drug left to individual discretion. I would say to that, that that is about the best a society ccan hope to do and it took us thousands of years to evolve social structures and biological tolerance that could cope with alchohol. Introduce a new drug to a society, like alchohol to the native maericans, opium to the Chineese, or cocaine, LSD, DXM, PCP, XTC, heroine, amphetamine, valium, quaaludes, GHB, THC, anandamide, methyl cathinone, and on to the Americans and you rip the society apart until the social fabric is so porous people can’t buy those drug anymore anymore along with count on those things that are necessary to sustain the basics of life.. I like a world where I can find a job, drive a car that won’t kill me, buy food that is probably clean, and medicine that still works. There is probably a better way to handle drugs than what we do now but this idea of everyman for himself is a kind of lunatic narcissism that betrays deep ignorance of how interdependant we are as a species. Just voicing an opinion I am not sure is my own, Michael Michalchik.

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