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>> And has the highest death rate due to heart desease and has the most obese > people >That’s all Clinton’s fault. >No, look it up. The number of overweight Americans TRIPLED during Clinton’s >years in office.

     Affluence is like that, Craig. You, on the other hand prefer Americans to be lean, hungry, and standing outside of soup kitchens.   Mitchell Holman "Look, Zippy, I myself am a liberal" King Pineapple (Craig Seufert), with a kneeslapper that will enlighten everyone familiar with his posts, 2/15/02

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Why would I prefer that? I would settle for a fairer distribution of >  wealth > >however. > the free market society and capitalism does provide for a fair division of > wealth.. if one tried hard enough…. in the us if you work hard and have > the necisary skills you can go from living in a cardboard box to living in >  a > penthouse…. > what an aspiration. Did you know that of the worlds 18 richest coutries, the > US has the highest poverty as a percentage of their population? Hmmm what > could that mean.

These poverty figures were probably figured by the individual governments too.  You do realize that ‘poverty’ is defined by the gov’t as making less than 30K a year…  Many ‘poor’ families in the US have cars, TVs, and other luxuries. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->i cant think of any better way to distribute wealth than > that… it’s true money begets money, and the wealthy have alot easier >  time > making and staying wealthy > Agree > , but the current system in no way shape or form > keeps one from bettering their economic position.. if they have what it > takes…. > >I was drawing a parallel between two countries and how it is necessary to > >evolve. We should’nt be so critical of the evolution of other countries >  that > >have not had the wealth and resources that the US has enjoyed. > oh, so since they are poor, the same standards shouldt apply???? > Missed again, I was suggesting to the poster that other countries are not as > developed as the rich countries but I did not say that they are exculded > from violating the law, you said that. >does that > make it ok for a street bum to mug you just beacuse he doesnt have money >  and > you do? > No it doesn’t but it OK but I’m sure it makes it more likely that he will > mug me and not just for my money, perhaps my Nikes. Now theres value. > we realized the error of our ways, and made matters right to the > best of our abilities…. > bless you all >we have a responsibility as moral beings to > criticize those who deny others basic human rights… > Yes fine. I’m not against that. > again, judge people on > what they do now, not what their ancestors have done long in the past. > OK you are forgiven. just don’t let it happen again. Go in peace. > >that was an act of war not an act of enterprise…. > >what about the whales killed by japan? oh yhea.. > >> i forgot.. only the evil us destroys the environment…. > >Did I say only the US destroys the environment. > no but you seem to imply that capitalism is the leading destroyer of the > environment…. i pointed out the communist government of russia, the most > opposite form of governmet as capitolism, and they still have a horrible > environmental reputation, much wore than that of ‘ours’ > Ok now that the Russians pollute so much its ok for the US? Consumption > plays a bit part lets face it. > >So they have to serve the US’s interest but the US doesn’t have to serve > >their’s right? > i would think that someone you help should be required to serve your > intrests…. if i help someone i expect them to do what they can to help >  me > back, not do me a dis-service for my charity…. what rights of others >  have > we overlooked? > >Easy fella, I was only pointing out that Bill gates did not give as much >  as > >the poster stated IE 24 Billion. I put the contribution into perspective. > >And yes I can’t afford to give that kind of money away but if I had >  Bill’s > >wealth, I would’t hesitate to give some awayeither. No big woop >  everything > >is relative. > pointing out, but not suporting with facts… i remeber at least one > instance i read about on cnn where gates donated a billion to one fund or > another, so his contributions ate at least an order of magnitude higher >  than > your figure…. > Iwas wrong as well as the poster its more like 3.5 Billion. >however the point remains that you seemed to inplly that > gates’ contribution was insignifigant due to his vast wealth… i just > wanted to point out that it was a hell of a lot of money, and that he was > certainly under no obligation to spread it around…Of course he’s under > no obligation but how much money does a thinking man need? He can’t take it > with him, it must be left behind, and he has lived "the american dream" it > makes sense to put some back. And if it was me I would do the same only I’m > still a million short of being a millionare. > regards,  kevin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The USA Today > The events of sept 11th have redefined our lives in many many ways. > There is one aspect that has risen up that should be viewed in a > positive light. A reality that the world extends beyond what we see, > beyond our warm houses and windows. Outside of this lies a span of > land, water, and continents. This span consist of a people, like you > and I whom we often forget live hard, dangerous and empty lives. More > parts than lesser have people not nearly 1/5th as wealthy, > intelligent, comfortable, warm, full, and healthy as ourselves. there > is a gross imbalance of wealth, and poverty. There is one extreme, > then the other. America has become the Country every other has tried > to look up to, this country has set standards, this country has > achieved much, and it has so because it was built on foundations based > on equality, freedom, and above all, God. One nation under God, In God > we trust, God bless America. This country has lost its focus, has > detached God from its name because of political reasons, has ousted > the church (separation of church and state) from its heart. That is > were we began to err, that is where the examples and regards we had > from other nations, was lost. Now we are looked upon for our monetary > achievements. This nation is no longer under God, it is under the > dollar. We have forgotten to spread the wealth to our brothers and > sisters, and that is what was brought to light that day. When life is > not worth much in the land you live in, it is easy to forgo it in the > form of an evil suicide attack. > I was ashamed at the amount of coverage that was given to subjects > such as the stock market, how is the market going to react, wall > street, Christmas shopping etc. Meanwhile leaders appear on television > urging Americans to continue their lives and keep shopping. We can > shop till this nation shops itself apart. We can shop in trendy malls > while millions starve and die because they don’t have a piece of > bread. We can shop while desperation takes grip of poor nations and > their leaders, clouding their minds and ability to do what is right, > what is true, and allowing  entire countries to sink into a > never-ending spiral of demise, While we turn a blind eye, ever more > often, unless off course, there is a financial interest. It upsets me > to see that the true reasons that lie beneath the surface of decisions > and policies are based on selfishness, greed and power. It upsets me > to see a leader, who initially seemed to be one who carried religion > in his heart, turn around very quickly to wield a sharp, vengeful, > bloody war sword. > We as a nation have lost our origins and we are falling by the > wayside. We have seperated further and further from what is real and > what is true. We need to look hard at our actions, the world around us > and extend a helping hand to all nations regardless of what they can > give back. Our problems are not solve via the sword, they are solved > by the example set forth from He who died for us all on the cross. The > example of Love, caring and understanding. We are in the spotlight to > set an example to all the nations on how to behave, and we are loosing > the chance. > www.fillingtime.com >I hate to burst your pretty little bubble, however, unless the American >people continue to live their lives after 9/11 the same way they did so >before 9/11 the rest of the world will suffer.  That is a reality that is >undeniable. >This president, W. Bush, has accomplished making it ‘okay’ to evoke the name >of God in politics, business, and homes.  Watch how those who avoided ‘god’s >name’ publically now include God in their speeches. >It is a small step, but it is one in the right direction. >War is ugly. >However, we, as a nation, must defend ourselves from our enemies.  That, >too, is a reality that is undeniable.  Playing ‘cutsie’ is not going to >protect our citizens from terroristic attacks.  Recall the images brought to >you by the media of ’scenes of terrorits attacks’.. this is one reality that >I do not wish to be a ‘every day event’ here in this nation. >This is my home, my land, this is where I live, work, and will die.  I will >defend myself, my family, my home, my land, with the very last breath I >breathe if necessary. >I say thusly as only one in a long line of patriots…… >I am the ‘present’ partriot, >There will be more to follow…

Wow, that sounds exactly like those who hate america.  Amazing how two opposing sides often sound so similar. They see themselves as under attack by america.  We need somebody to work out how to stop people feeling threatened and being attacked full stop. Peace it seems is something that man always seeks last. — Alan Ferris eligo, ergo sum Atheist #1211 Denizen of Darkness #42 EAC(UK)#252 Ironic Torture Div. "This does not belong in this post……It was copied or cut and pasted by www.arcerland.com ICQ UIN: 12811297

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> The USA Today >> The events of sept 11th have redefined our lives in many many ways. >> There is one aspect that has risen up that should be viewed in a >> positive light. A reality that the world extends beyond what we see, >> beyond our warm houses and windows. Outside of this lies a span of >> land, water, and continents. This span consist of a people, like you >> and I whom we often forget live hard, dangerous and empty lives. More >> parts than lesser have people not nearly 1/5th as wealthy, >> intelligent, comfortable, warm, full, and healthy as ourselves. there >> is a gross imbalance of wealth, and poverty. There is one extreme, >> then the other. America has become the Country every other has tried >> to look up to, this country has set standards, this country has >> achieved much, and it has so because it was built on foundations based >> on equality, freedom, and above all, God. One nation under God, In God >> we trust, God bless America. This country has lost its focus, has >> detached God from its name because of political reasons, has ousted >> the church (separation of church and state) from its heart. That is >> were we began to err, that is where the examples and regards we had >> from other nations, was lost. Now we are looked upon for our monetary >> achievements. This nation is no longer under God, it is under the >> dollar. We have forgotten to spread the wealth to our brothers and >> sisters, and that is what was brought to light that day. When life is >> not worth much in the land you live in, it is easy to forgo it in the >> form of an evil suicide attack. >> I was ashamed at the amount of coverage that was given to subjects >> such as the stock market, how is the market going to react, wall >> street, Christmas shopping etc. Meanwhile leaders appear on television >> urging Americans to continue their lives and keep shopping. We can >> shop till this nation shops itself apart. We can shop in trendy malls >> while millions starve and die because they don’t have a piece of >> bread. We can shop while desperation takes grip of poor nations and >> their leaders, clouding their minds and ability to do what is right, >> what is true, and allowing  entire countries to sink into a >> never-ending spiral of demise, While we turn a blind eye, ever more >> often, unless off course, there is a financial interest. It upsets me >> to see that the true reasons that lie beneath the surface of decisions >> and policies are based on selfishness, greed and power. It upsets me >> to see a leader, who initially seemed to be one who carried religion >> in his heart, turn around very quickly to wield a sharp, vengeful, >> bloody war sword. >> We as a nation have lost our origins and we are falling by the >> wayside. We have seperated further and further from what is real and >> what is true. We need to look hard at our actions, the world around us >> and extend a helping hand to all nations regardless of what they can >> give back. Our problems are not solve via the sword, they are solved >> by the example set forth from He who died for us all on the cross. The >> example of Love, caring and understanding. We are in the spotlight to >> set an example to all the nations on how to behave, and we are loosing >> the chance. >> www.fillingtime.com > I hate to burst your pretty little bubble, however, unless the American > people continue to live their lives after 9/11 the same way they did so > before 9/11 the rest of the world will suffer.  That is a reality that is > undeniable. > This president, W. Bush, has accomplished making it ‘okay’ to evoke the name > of God in politics, business, and homes.  Watch how those who avoided ‘god’s > name’ publically now include God in their speeches. > It is a small step, but it is one in the right direction. > War is ugly. > However, we, as a nation, must defend ourselves from our enemies.  That, > too, is a reality that is undeniable.  Playing ‘cutsie’ is not going to > protect our citizens from terroristic attacks.  Recall the images brought to > you by the media of ’scenes of terrorits attacks’.. this is one reality that > I do not wish to be a ‘every day event’ here in this nation. > This is my home, my land, this is where I live, work, and will die.  I will > defend myself, my family, my home, my land, with the very last breath I > breathe if necessary. > I say thusly as only one in a long line of patriots…… > I am the ‘present’ partriot, > There will be more to follow… > Paula > I dont usually respond once I post, but I have an incessant urge to do > so now. Yes I agree that we should not sit like ducks in a pond and > get blasted, and we SHOULD respond, in a manner! however, What is the > immediate issue at hand: to decrease the possibility of future > threats. > I see that you would do anything to defend yourself, but defend is > to protect from attack, and we are contemplating attacking first.

Yes, often offense is best defense. > Putting these nations on the defense, (see how the other persons shoe > fits now?) Something the USA has never done. If we begin to attack, > and we will surely because our president wants WW3,

That is not what the president wants.  Nor is it what I want, hence, the call for all nations to root out terrorists in their own countries. > War and violence > is like a snowball rolling down a mountain, the more we kill, the more > they want to get back at us, and it see saws.

Hence, the need for defeat of the terrorists. > It has no solution! > Do not believe for one minute, that the war presented to you by our > government will go with the smoothness we had in afghanistan, (which i > would like to remind you, did not get the perpetrator of the act on > sept 11th.).

I do not expect war to be ’smooth’. Ben Ladin, wherabouts currently unknown, will be caught, dead or alive. > may I point out to you also, that if we were to truly go > after terrorist states, we would go after Saudi Arabia (of which 80% > of the 9/11 terrorist were from).

No need to point out the obvious. > Think about how we pick and choose > our war grounds.. North Korea? I didnt see any any NK’s on the > terrorist list.

Those who harbor or assist…. > How about Russia and CHina? Did you know where all the > weopons in the terrorist hands were made in? Guess..

No need there, either. > Paula, maybe the interests of the higher ups in washington serve > another purpose that is masked to the public as what you believe. Its > masked as something its not..

Nice try.  Bush was not president long enough…. > We have been here before, history repeats itself, and the blood of > millions cries to us from the grave to learn from our mistakes.

Never make the ‘vietnam’ mistake again.  War is war.  No ‘pussyfootin’. > During > the cold war there were many presidents and generals in discussion to > attack Russia before they could be strong enough to whip us off the > earth. There was a huge arms race, There were close calls, and thank > God to the patience and the persistance and the paths that were chosen > to fight the communist system, as over time, we saw what happened to > communism, and the russian state. It disintigrated on its own. And if > that path of peace and persistance was not taken, we may not be > sitting in front of our computers this moment. > We can fight a war in many ways, animals spill blood because they > cannot communicate, and only know violence. We have a tongue, a mind, > and a heart.

It would be very nice if communication would work with terrorist…. > The world is not with us on this one next step, and did you ever > comply when a bully gave you an ultimatum in the school yard?

Funny you call the USA the bully. > You get more bees with honey then you do with sugar. Take care and God > bless.

Yah..feeding the bees honey caused the 9/11 attack. Paula – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> www.fillingtime.com

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> And has the highest death rate due to heart desease and has the most obese > people

That’s all Clinton’s fault. No, look it up. The number of overweight Americans TRIPLED during Clinton’s years in office. Fat, dumb and happy. Next?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> The USA Today >> The events of sept 11th have redefined our lives in many many ways. >> There is one aspect that has risen up that should be viewed in a >> positive light. A reality that the world extends beyond what we see, >> beyond our warm houses and windows. Outside of this lies a span of >> land, water, and continents. This span consist of a people, like you >> and I whom we often forget live hard, dangerous and empty lives. More >> parts than lesser have people not nearly 1/5th as wealthy, >> intelligent, comfortable, warm, full, and healthy as ourselves. there >> is a gross imbalance of wealth, and poverty. There is one extreme, >> then the other. America has become the Country every other has tried >> to look up to, this country has set standards, this country has >> achieved much, and it has so because it was built on foundations based >> on equality, freedom, and above all, God. One nation under God, In God >> we trust, God bless America. This country has lost its focus, has >> detached God from its name because of political reasons, has ousted >> the church (separation of church and state) from its heart. That is >> were we began to err, that is where the examples and regards we had >> from other nations, was lost. Now we are looked upon for our monetary >> achievements. This nation is no longer under God, it is under the >> dollar. We have forgotten to spread the wealth to our brothers and >> sisters, and that is what was brought to light that day. When life is >> not worth much in the land you live in, it is easy to forgo it in the >> form of an evil suicide attack. >> I was ashamed at the amount of coverage that was given to subjects >> such as the stock market, how is the market going to react, wall >> street, Christmas shopping etc. Meanwhile leaders appear on television >> urging Americans to continue their lives and keep shopping. We can >> shop till this nation shops itself apart. We can shop in trendy malls >> while millions starve and die because they don’t have a piece of >> bread. We can shop while desperation takes grip of poor nations and >> their leaders, clouding their minds and ability to do what is right, >> what is true, and allowing  entire countries to sink into a >> never-ending spiral of demise, While we turn a blind eye, ever more >> often, unless off course, there is a financial interest. It upsets me >> to see that the true reasons that lie beneath the surface of decisions >> and policies are based on selfishness, greed and power. It upsets me >> to see a leader, who initially seemed to be one who carried religion >> in his heart, turn around very quickly to wield a sharp, vengeful, >> bloody war sword. >> We as a nation have lost our origins and we are falling by the >> wayside. We have seperated further and further from what is real and >> what is true. We need to look hard at our actions, the world around us >> and extend a helping hand to all nations regardless of what they can >> give back. Our problems are not solve via the sword, they are solved >> by the example set forth from He who died for us all on the cross. The >> example of Love, caring and understanding. We are in the spotlight to >> set an example to all the nations on how to behave, and we are loosing >> the chance. >> www.fillingtime.com > I hate to burst your pretty little bubble, however, unless the American > people continue to live their lives after 9/11 the same way they did so > before 9/11 the rest of the world will suffer.  That is a reality that is > undeniable. > This president, W. Bush, has accomplished making it ‘okay’ to evoke the > name > of God in politics, business, and homes.  Watch how those who avoided > ‘god’s > name’ publically now include God in their speeches. > It is a small step, but it is one in the right direction. > War is ugly. > However, we, as a nation, must defend ourselves from our enemies.  That, > too, is a reality that is undeniable.  Playing ‘cutsie’ is not going to > protect our citizens from terroristic attacks.  Recall the images brought > to > you by the media of ’scenes of terrorits attacks’.. this is one reality > that > I do not wish to be a ‘every day event’ here in this nation. > This is my home, my land, this is where I live, work, and will die.  I > will > defend myself, my family, my home, my land, with the very last breath I > breathe if necessary. > I say thusly as only one in a long line of patriots…… > I am the ‘present’ partriot, > There will be more to follow… > Paula > You are very patriotic.

Thank you. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I wonder if the US is concentrating enough energy on the root causes of > terrorism. IE Why do some people hate the US so much that they are willing > to die for its destruction. This makes me wonder. I hope that the root > causes of terrorism are addressed so that the US does not have to sleep with > a gun under its pillow so to speak, a hell of a way to live. And when you > think about it, its not nuclear weapons that threatens the US as much as a > suicidal terrorist which is infinately more difficult to control. For all > the money that has gone into the war on terra, Bin laden remains at large. > This I suppose is just one example of the difficulty and gravity of the > problem. I think foriegn policy must include the interest of others, sort of > a Christian value. And of course its a two way street. > Kevin

Kevin, I believe that there is concentration of all aspects of terrorism.  The nature of terrorism dictates what we must do to protect ourselves and others from these types of attacks.  I don’t believe there is a single answer or ‘plan’, but I do believe it calls for united front from as many nations as possible.  We all stand to lose much. I will sleep with a gun beneath my pillow if necessary. Paula

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>Why would I prefer that? I would settle for a fairer distribution of wealth >however. > the free market society and capitalism does provide for a fair division of > wealth.. if one tried hard enough…. in the us if you work hard and have > the necisary skills you can go from living in a cardboard box to living in a > penthouse….

what an aspiration. Did you know that of the worlds 18 richest coutries, the US has the highest poverty as a percentage of their population? Hmmm what could that mean. >i cant think of any better way to distribute wealth than > that… it’s true money begets money, and the wealthy have alot easier time > making and staying wealthy

Agree , but the current system in no way shape or form > keeps one from bettering their economic position.. if they have what it > takes…. >I was drawing a parallel between two countries and how it is necessary to >evolve. We should’nt be so critical of the evolution of other countries > that >have not had the wealth and resources that the US has enjoyed. > oh, so since they are poor, the same standards shouldt apply????

Missed again, I was suggesting to the poster that other countries are not as developed as the rich countries but I did not say that they are exculded from violating the law, you said that. >does that > make it ok for a street bum to mug you just beacuse he doesnt have money and > you do?

No it doesn’t but it OK but I’m sure it makes it more likely that he will mug me and not just for my money, perhaps my Nikes. Now theres value. we realized the error of our ways, and made matters right to the > best of our abilities….

bless you all >we have a responsibility as moral beings to > criticize those who deny others basic human rights…

Yes fine. I’m not against that. again, judge people on > what they do now, not what their ancestors have done long in the past.

OK you are forgiven. just don’t let it happen again. Go in peace. >that was an act of war not an act of enterprise…. >what about the whales killed by japan? oh yhea.. >> i forgot.. only the evil us destroys the environment…. >Did I say only the US destroys the environment. > no but you seem to imply that capitalism is the leading destroyer of the > environment…. i pointed out the communist government of russia, the most > opposite form of governmet as capitolism, and they still have a horrible > environmental reputation, much wore than that of ‘ours’

Ok now that the Russians pollute so much its ok for the US? Consumption plays a bit part lets face it. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->So they have to serve the US’s interest but the US doesn’t have to serve >their’s right? > i would think that someone you help should be required to serve your > intrests…. if i help someone i expect them to do what they can to help me > back, not do me a dis-service for my charity…. what rights of others have > we overlooked? >Easy fella, I was only pointing out that Bill gates did not give as much as >the poster stated IE 24 Billion. I put the contribution into perspective. >And yes I can’t afford to give that kind of money away but if I had Bill’s >wealth, I would’t hesitate to give some awayeither. No big woop everything >is relative. > pointing out, but not suporting with facts… i remeber at least one > instance i read about on cnn where gates donated a billion to one fund or > another, so his contributions ate at least an order of magnitude higher than > your figure….

Iwas wrong as well as the poster its more like 3.5 Billion. >however the point remains that you seemed to inplly that > gates’ contribution was insignifigant due to his vast wealth… i just > wanted to point out that it was a hell of a lot of money, and that he was > certainly under no obligation to spread it around…Of course he’s under

no obligation but how much money does a thinking man need? He can’t take it with him, it must be left behind, and he has lived "the american dream" it makes sense to put some back. And if it was me I would do the same only I’m still a million short of being a millionare. regards,  kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The USA Today > The events of sept 11th have redefined our lives in many many ways. > There is one aspect that has risen up that should be viewed in a > positive light. A reality that the world extends beyond what we see, > beyond our warm houses and windows. Outside of this lies a span of > land, water, and continents. This span consist of a people, like you > and I whom we often forget live hard, dangerous and empty lives. More > parts than lesser have people not nearly 1/5th as wealthy, > intelligent, comfortable, warm, full, and healthy as ourselves. there > is a gross imbalance of wealth, and poverty. There is one extreme, > then the other. America has become the Country every other has tried > to look up to, this country has set standards, this country has > achieved much, and it has so because it was built on foundations based > on equality, freedom, and above all, God. One nation under God, In God > we trust, God bless America. This country has lost its focus, has > detached God from its name because of political reasons, has ousted > the church (separation of church and state) from its heart. That is > were we began to err, that is where the examples and regards we had > from other nations, was lost. Now we are looked upon for our monetary > achievements. This nation is no longer under God, it is under the > dollar. We have forgotten to spread the wealth to our brothers and > sisters, and that is what was brought to light that day. When life is > not worth much in the land you live in, it is easy to forgo it in the > form of an evil suicide attack. > I was ashamed at the amount of coverage that was given to subjects > such as the stock market, how is the market going to react, wall > street, Christmas shopping etc. Meanwhile leaders appear on television > urging Americans to continue their lives and keep shopping. We can > shop till this nation shops itself apart. We can shop in trendy malls > while millions starve and die because they don’t have a piece of > bread. We can shop while desperation takes grip of poor nations and > their leaders, clouding their minds and ability to do what is right, > what is true, and allowing  entire countries to sink into a > never-ending spiral of demise, While we turn a blind eye, ever more > often, unless off course, there is a financial interest. It upsets me > to see that the true reasons that lie beneath the surface of decisions > and policies are based on selfishness, greed and power. It upsets me > to see a leader, who initially seemed to be one who carried religion > in his heart, turn around very quickly to wield a sharp, vengeful, > bloody war sword. > We as a nation have lost our origins and we are falling by the > wayside. We have seperated further and further from what is real and > what is true. We need to look hard at our actions, the world around us > and extend a helping hand to all nations regardless of what they can > give back. Our problems are not solve via the sword, they are solved > by the example set forth from He who died for us all on the cross. The > example of Love, caring and understanding. We are in the spotlight to > set an example to all the nations on how to behave, and we are loosing > the chance. > www.fillingtime.com > I hate to burst your pretty little bubble, however, unless the American > people continue to live their lives after 9/11 the same way they did so > before 9/11 the rest of the world will suffer.  That is a reality that is > undeniable. > This president, W. Bush, has accomplished making it ‘okay’ to evoke the name > of God in politics, business, and homes.  Watch how those who avoided ‘god’s > name’ publically now include God in their speeches. > It is a small step, but it is one in the right direction. > War is ugly. > However, we, as a nation, must defend ourselves from our enemies.  That, > too, is a reality that is undeniable.  Playing ‘cutsie’ is not going to > protect our citizens from terroristic attacks.  Recall the images brought to > you by the media of ’scenes of terrorits attacks’.. this is one reality that > I do not wish to be a ‘every day event’ here in this nation. > This is my home, my land, this is where I live, work, and will die.  I will > defend myself, my family, my home, my land, with the very last breath I > breathe if necessary. > I say thusly as only one in a long line of patriots…… > I am the ‘present’ partriot, > There will be more to follow… > Paula

I dont usually respond once I post, but I have an incessant urge to do so now. Yes I agree that we should not sit like ducks in a pond and get blasted, and we SHOULD respond, in a manner! however, What is the immediate issue at hand: to decrease the possibility of future threats.   I see that you would do anything to defend yourself, but defend is to protect from attack, and we are contemplating attacking first. Putting these nations on the defense, (see how the other persons shoe fits now?) Something the USA has never done. If we begin to attack, and we will surely because our president wants WW3, War and violence is like a snowball rolling down a mountain, the more we kill, the more they want to get back at us, and it see saws. It has no solution!   Do not believe for one minute, that the war presented to you by our government will go with the smoothness we had in afghanistan, (which i would like to remind you, did not get the perpetrator of the act on sept 11th.). may I point out to you also, that if we were to truly go after terrorist states, we would go after Saudi Arabia (of which 80% of the 9/11 terrorist were from). Think about how we pick and choose our war grounds.. North Korea? I didnt see any any NK’s on the terrorist list. How about Russia and CHina? Did you know where all the weopons in the terrorist hands were made in? Guess..   Paula, maybe the interests of the higher ups in washington serve another purpose that is masked to the public as what you believe. Its masked as something its not..   We have been here before, history repeats itself, and the blood of millions cries to us from the grave to learn from our mistakes. During the cold war there were many presidents and generals in discussion to attack Russia before they could be strong enough to whip us off the earth. There was a huge arms race, There were close calls, and thank God to the patience and the persistance and the paths that were chosen to fight the communist system, as over time, we saw what happened to communism, and the russian state. It disintigrated on its own. And if that path of peace and persistance was not taken, we may not be sitting in front of our computers this moment.   We can fight a war in many ways, animals spill blood because they cannot communicate, and only know violence. We have a tongue, a mind, and a heart.   The world is not with us on this one next step, and did you ever comply when a bully gave you an ultimatum in the school yard? You get more bees with honey then you do with sugar. Take care and God bless. www.fillingtime.com

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>Why would I prefer that? I would settle for a fairer distribution of wealth >however.

the free market society and capitalism does provide for a fair division of wealth.. if one tried hard enough…. in the us if you work hard and have the necisary skills you can go from living in a cardboard box to living in a penthouse…. i cant think of any better way to distribute wealth than that… it’s true money begets money, and the wealthy have alot easier time making and staying wealthy, but the current system in no way shape or form keeps one from bettering their economic position.. if they have what it takes…. >I was drawing a parallel between two countries and how it is necessary to >evolve. We should’nt be so critical of the evolution of other countries that >have not had the wealth and resources that the US has enjoyed.

oh, so since they are poor, the same standards shouldt apply???? does that make it ok for a street bum to mug you just beacuse he doesnt have money and you do? we realized the error of our ways, and made matters right to the best of our abilities…. we have a responsibility as moral beings to criticize those who deny others basic human rights… again, judge people on what they do now, not what their ancestors have done long in the past. >that was an act of war not an act of enterprise…. >what about the whales killed by japan? oh yhea.. > i forgot.. only the evil us destroys the environment…. >Did I say only the US destroys the environment.

no but you seem to imply that capitalism is the leading destroyer of the environment…. i pointed out the communist government of russia, the most opposite form of governmet as capitolism, and they still have a horrible environmental reputation, much wore than that of ‘ours’ >So they have to serve the US’s interest but the US doesn’t have to serve >their’s right?

i would think that someone you help should be required to serve your intrests…. if i help someone i expect them to do what they can to help me back, not do me a dis-service for my charity…. what rights of others have we overlooked? >Easy fella, I was only pointing out that Bill gates did not give as much as >the poster stated IE 24 Billion. I put the contribution into perspective. >And yes I can’t afford to give that kind of money away but if I had Bill’s >wealth, I would’t hesitate to give some awayeither. No big woop everything >is relative.

pointing out, but not suporting with facts… i remeber at least one instance i read about on cnn where gates donated a billion to one fund or another, so his contributions ate at least an order of magnitude higher than your figure…. however the point remains that you seemed to inplly that gates’ contribution was insignifigant due to his vast wealth… i just wanted to point out that it was a hell of a lot of money, and that he was certainly under no obligation to spread it around…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The USA Today > The events of sept 11th have redefined our lives in many many ways. > There is one aspect that has risen up that should be viewed in a > positive light. A reality that the world extends beyond what we see, > beyond our warm houses and windows. Outside of this lies a span of > land, water, and continents. This span consist of a people, like you > and I whom we often forget live hard, dangerous and empty lives. More > parts than lesser have people not nearly 1/5th as wealthy, > intelligent, comfortable, warm, full, and healthy as ourselves. there > is a gross imbalance of wealth, and poverty. There is one extreme, > then the other. America has become the Country every other has tried > to look up to, this country has set standards, this country has > achieved much, and it has so because it was built on foundations based > on equality, freedom, and above all, God. One nation under God, In God > we trust, God bless America. This country has lost its focus, has > detached God from its name because of political reasons, has ousted > the church (separation of church and state) from its heart. That is > were we began to err, that is where the examples and regards we had > from other nations, was lost. Now we are looked upon for our monetary > achievements. This nation is no longer under God, it is under the > dollar. We have forgotten to spread the wealth to our brothers and > sisters, and that is what was brought to light that day. When life is > not worth much in the land you live in, it is easy to forgo it in the > form of an evil suicide attack. > I was ashamed at the amount of coverage that was given to subjects > such as the stock market, how is the market going to react, wall > street, Christmas shopping etc. Meanwhile leaders appear on television > urging Americans to continue their lives and keep shopping. We can > shop till this nation shops itself apart. We can shop in trendy malls > while millions starve and die because they don’t have a piece of > bread. We can shop while desperation takes grip of poor nations and > their leaders, clouding their minds and ability to do what is right, > what is true, and allowing  entire countries to sink into a > never-ending spiral of demise, While we turn a blind eye, ever more > often, unless off course, there is a financial interest. It upsets me > to see that the true reasons that lie beneath the surface of decisions > and policies are based on selfishness, greed and power. It upsets me > to see a leader, who initially seemed to be one who carried religion > in his heart, turn around very quickly to wield a sharp, vengeful, > bloody war sword. > We as a nation have lost our origins and we are falling by the > wayside. We have seperated further and further from what is real and > what is true. We need to look hard at our actions, the world around us > and extend a helping hand to all nations regardless of what they can > give back. Our problems are not solve via the sword, they are solved > by the example set forth from He who died for us all on the cross. The > example of Love, caring and understanding. We are in the spotlight to > set an example to all the nations on how to behave, and we are loosing > the chance. > www.fillingtime.com > I hate to burst your pretty little bubble, however, unless the American > people continue to live their lives after 9/11 the same way they did so > before 9/11 the rest of the world will suffer.  That is a reality that is > undeniable. > This president, W. Bush, has accomplished making it ‘okay’ to evoke the name > of God in politics, business, and homes.  Watch how those who avoided ‘god’s > name’ publically now include God in their speeches. > It is a small step, but it is one in the right direction. > War is ugly. > However, we, as a nation, must defend ourselves from our enemies.  That, > too, is a reality that is undeniable.  Playing ‘cutsie’ is not going to > protect our citizens from terroristic attacks.  Recall the images brought to > you by the media of ’scenes of terrorits attacks’.. this is one reality that > I do not wish to be a ‘every day event’ here in this nation. > This is my home, my land, this is where I live, work, and will die.  I will > defend myself, my family, my home, my land, with the very last breath I > breathe if necessary. > I say thusly as only one in a long line of patriots…… > I am the ‘present’ partriot, > There will be more to follow… > Paula

You are very patriotic. I wonder if the US is concentrating enough energy on the root causes of terrorism. IE Why do some people hate the US so much that they are willing to die for its destruction. This makes me wonder. I hope that the root causes of terrorism are addressed so that the US does not have to sleep with a gun under its pillow so to speak, a hell of a way to live. And when you think about it, its not nuclear weapons that threatens the US as much as a suicidal terrorist which is infinately more difficult to control. For all the money that has gone into the war on terra, Bin laden remains at large. This I suppose is just one example of the difficulty and gravity of the problem. I think foriegn policy must include the interest of others, sort of a Christian value. And of course its a two way street. Kevin

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And has the highest death rate due to heart desease and has the most obese >people and is home to McDonalds (the largest toy distributer in the >world-how diabolical) and is the proud founder of the Jerry Springer show >( a characature of American Culture), and historically has produced the > most >oil dripping, smoke belching hunks of Detroit steel ever to grace its >highways but I do give them credit for their generosities however, their >generosity is directly proportional to their wealth which like every other >nation in history has a life cycle. > mcdonalds, jerry springer, and the like are all vices, but they are all ways > for people of means to entertain themselves.. whats wrong with that??? whats > wrong with being obease???

Apparently nothing but remember the seven deadly sins? >it’s a life style choice. if you lived in russia, > you would be a slave to the vodka bottle, if you lived in thiland you would > have aids, if you lived in afganastan you would have a heroin habit…. > human nature tends to have self destructive habits, this is not the fault of > the system of goventment, unless you would prefer a totalitarian state where > salt is outlawed and bodily fluid transfer (aka sex, humping, the > hunka-chunka, doing the wild thing) has been behaviorly engineered out of > acceptable society.

Why would I prefer that? I would settle for a fairer distribution of wealth however. >Kinda like what the US went thu with slavery and such but of course the >Americans are the holiest. > what does that have to do with today???? slavery was wrong and we went to > war to stop it. judge a country by it’s actions now, not by what happened > 200 years ago…

I was drawing a parallel between two countries and how it is necessary to evolve. We should’nt be so critical of the evolution of other countries that have not had the wealth and resources that the US has enjoyed. >Pollution ain’t high on the political agenda for the US because of their >glutenous appetite for energy. >Where is the US on the Kyoto accord?? > and other forms of government are more environmentally concious???? what > about the polution caused by the soviet union…. what about the oil feilds > burned by saddam husien…

that was an act of war not an act of enterprise…. what about the whales killed by japan? oh yhea.. > i forgot.. only the evil us destroys the environment….

Did I say only the US destroys the environment. >Because it was IN THE INTEREST OF THE US! > should we give wealth and comfort to those who do not serve our best > intrests????

So they have to serve the US’s interest but the US doesn’t have to serve their’s right? >tell you what… why dont you get a liscence to carry a > concealed weapon.. this way, if one day you get mugged you can politely give > the thug your firearm so as to help someone who does not have your best > intrests in mind… > get real….

Mankind is like a virus and we have in a sense infected mother earth. We are slowly but surely killing the host with our policies of excess and consumption. The host will unltimately rule as it follows natural law wich no amount of prayer will correct. A bit pessimistic perhaps, but there’s always hope. >Ummm I think that was 100 Million for AIDS??? or less than 1/2 of 1% of his >net worth. Excellent PR. You go Bill. > who cares what percentage of his wealth he gave away….. when you > personally have caughed up more than gates for charitable reasons, then and > only then do you have the right to complain about what fraction of his > wealth he has given to others…. simple point… 100 million is a very > large sum of money, and surprise surprise, he doesnt have to give one cent > of it away, but none the less he chooses to do so…. give the man credit > for doing something  for others, and at a magnitude you can never hope to > do, not complain that it wasnt enough…

Easy fella, I was only pointing out that Bill gates did not give as much as the poster stated IE 24 Billion. I put the contribution into perspective. And yes I can’t afford to give that kind of money away but if I had Bill’s wealth, I would’t hesitate to give some awayeither. No big woop everything is relative. May the force be with you kevin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The USA Today > The events of sept 11th have redefined our lives in many many ways. > There is one aspect that has risen up that should be viewed in a > positive light. A reality that the world extends beyond what we see, > beyond our warm houses and windows. Outside of this lies a span of > land, water, and continents. This span consist of a people, like you > and I whom we often forget live hard, dangerous and empty lives. More > parts than lesser have people not nearly 1/5th as wealthy, > intelligent, comfortable, warm, full, and healthy as ourselves. there > is a gross imbalance of wealth, and poverty. There is one extreme, > then the other. America has become the Country every other has tried > to look up to, this country has set standards, this country has > achieved much, and it has so because it was built on foundations based > on equality, freedom, and above all, God. One nation under God, In God > we trust, God bless America. This country has lost its focus, has > detached God from its name because of political reasons, has ousted > the church (separation of church and state) from its heart. That is > were we began to err, that is where the examples and regards we had > from other nations, was lost. Now we are looked upon for our monetary > achievements. This nation is no longer under God, it is under the > dollar. We have forgotten to spread the wealth to our brothers and > sisters, and that is what was brought to light that day. When life is > not worth much in the land you live in, it is easy to forgo it in the > form of an evil suicide attack. > I was ashamed at the amount of coverage that was given to subjects > such as the stock market, how is the market going to react, wall > street, Christmas shopping etc. Meanwhile leaders appear on television > urging Americans to continue their lives and keep shopping. We can > shop till this nation shops itself apart. We can shop in trendy malls > while millions starve and die because they don’t have a piece of > bread. We can shop while desperation takes grip of poor nations and > their leaders, clouding their minds and ability to do what is right, > what is true, and allowing  entire countries to sink into a > never-ending spiral of demise, While we turn a blind eye, ever more > often, unless off course, there is a financial interest. It upsets me > to see that the true reasons that lie beneath the surface of decisions > and policies are based on selfishness, greed and power. It upsets me > to see a leader, who initially seemed to be one who carried religion > in his heart, turn around very quickly to wield a sharp, vengeful, > bloody war sword. > We as a nation have lost our origins and we are falling by the > wayside. We have seperated further and further from what is real and > what is true. We need to look hard at our actions, the world around us > and extend a helping hand to all nations regardless of what they can > give back. Our problems are not solve via the sword, they are solved > by the example set forth from He who died for us all on the cross. The > example of Love, caring and understanding. We are in the spotlight to > set an example to all the nations on how to behave, and we are loosing > the chance. > www.fillingtime.com

I hate to burst your pretty little bubble, however, unless the American people continue to live their lives after 9/11 the same way they did so before 9/11 the rest of the world will suffer.  That is a reality that is undeniable. This president, W. Bush, has accomplished making it ‘okay’ to evoke the name of God in politics, business, and homes.  Watch how those who avoided ‘god’s name’ publically now include God in their speeches. It is a small step, but it is one in the right direction. War is ugly. However, we, as a nation, must defend ourselves from our enemies.  That, too, is a reality that is undeniable.  Playing ‘cutsie’ is not going to protect our citizens from terroristic attacks.  Recall the images brought to you by the media of ’scenes of terrorits attacks’.. this is one reality that I do not wish to be a ‘every day event’ here in this nation. This is my home, my land, this is where I live, work, and will die.  I will defend myself, my family, my home, my land, with the very last breath I breathe if necessary. I say thusly as only one in a long line of patriots…… I am the ‘present’ partriot, There will be more to follow… Paula

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The United States of America, is not a democracy. It is a democratic republic. English Oxford Dictonary definintion of Democracy. A government by all the people, direct or representative; form of society ignoring hereditary class distinctions and tolerating minority views. A democracy is Majority Rules. English Oxford Dictonary definintion of Republic. A State in which supreme power is held by the people or its elected representatives or by elected or nominated president, not by monarch etc.; Society of persons ( or animals ) with equality between members. The "free market" system has nothing to do with America at all, it is only one facet of a greater hole. The Founding Fathers of the US believed that God has given mankind the Freedom of Choice. The very first two amendments of the Constitution exemplify this. Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Amendment II A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Here in the US, we have these Freedoms. If we chose, we have the freedom to go to church or not to go to church. If we chose we to speak out against any government we have that freedom. If we so chose to protest our government in a peaceable assembly we have that freedom. If we chose to petition the government for a redress of grievances we have that Freedom. If we wish to own a fire-arm for our protection, we have that Freedom, not because we can on a weapon or do any of these things, but because its our God given right of freedom to Chose. We have the Choice to accept Christ into our life or not. We have the Choice to start a business, and turn it into a multi-national corporation. We have the Choice to make loads of money and give it away. We have the Choice to watch shows like Jerry Springer. We also have the Choice not accept Christ, or not to start a big business, or to make loads of money and give it away, or not to watch shows like Jerry Springer. These are the ideals of the US. So a "freemarket" "capitalist" society has nothing to do with ideals of the US. However, we rely on this economy to improve our lives, help educate ourselves, and to help us grow as citizens of the US, and human beings. We have the choice to give our money away, and the US is the biggest contributor to international aid in the world. I agree with the orginial poster, on this topic, and I do feel that others outside the US see this country as the bane of there existance. I myself am an immigrant to the US from Wales, and I’ve been able to see both sides of the spectrum. I believe once you understand the founding principles of the US, I would hope, one would realize that these are fundementals of mankind and not just of one country. The only problems to these principles is the implementing of them. America fought Great Britian in order to gain this freedom, and its own God given right to vote, and self govern. Women and Blacks had to fight to get to vote, but do they? Sadly not everyone votes, but that is there Choice. There are right and wrong choices, if you make a bad one you have to live with the consequences for good or ill. If you chose not to vote, petition congress or your representatives with your grevances, and end up with a totalitaritan government….Well there you go. Dd – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The USA Today >    The events of sept 11th have redefined our lives in many many ways. > There is one aspect that has risen up that should be viewed in a > positive light. A reality that the world extends beyond what we see, > beyond our warm houses and windows. Outside of this lies a span of > land, water, and continents. This span consist of a people, like you > and I whom we often forget live hard, dangerous and empty lives. More > parts than lesser have people not nearly 1/5th as wealthy, > intelligent, comfortable, warm, full, and healthy as ourselves. there > is a gross imbalance of wealth, and poverty. There is one extreme, > then the other. America has become the Country every other has tried > to look up to, this country has set standards, this country has > achieved much, and it has so because it was built on foundations based > on equality, freedom, and above all, God. One nation under God, In God > we trust, God bless America. > Unless of course you ask the other half of the world what they think of > America and you will get a different opinion. Its not all about America any > more. America is 5% of the world population who consumes 25% of the worlds > energy resources. They have gobs of money to throw at any humaitarian cause > which of course makes them them worthy of praise but its easy to give when > you have so much. >This country has lost its focus, has > detached God from its name because of political reasons, has ousted > the church (separation of church and state) from its heart. That is > were we began to err, that is where the examples and regards we had > from other nations, was lost. Now we are looked upon for our monetary > achievements. This nation is no longer under God, it is under the > dollar. We have forgotten to spread the wealth to our brothers and > sisters, and that is what was brought to light that day. When life is > not worth much in the land you live in, it is easy to forgo it in the > form of an evil suicide attack. > Precisely; these people have nothing to loose and in the case of sept/11, > these people honestly see the US as a source of their misery. The US has not > been innocent in their actions and dealings with the rest of the world as > they are quite prepared to do just about anything to protect their resources > and ideologies from external threats. Unfortunately, someone or something > must suffer in the process. The fundamental problem with democracy and the > free enterprise model is that it is a maximising process in that it is like > an appetite, its never satisfied. We need more production, more consumption, > higher profits. Investors expect continued growth on investments. Its time > to rethink this model because the world with all its richness is limited. > There is NO SUCH THING as continued growth forever. So we must ask, when > will we be satified? To date, we have been willing to trash the planet for > the sake of profits. Don’t we see it everywhere? There will be reckoning. >   I was ashamed at the amount of coverage that was given to subjects > such as the stock market, how is the market going to react, wall > street, Christmas shopping etc. Meanwhile leaders appear on television > urging Americans to continue their lives and keep shopping. We can > shop till this nation shops itself apart. We can shop in trendy malls > while millions starve and die because they don’t have a piece of > bread. We can shop while desperation takes grip of poor nations and > their leaders, clouding their minds and ability to do what is right, > what is true, and allowing  entire countries to sink into a > never-ending spiral of demise, While we turn a blind eye, ever more > often, unless off course, there is a financial interest. It upsets me > to see that the true reasons that lie beneath the surface of decisions > and policies are based on selfishness, greed and power. It upsets me > to see a leader, who initially seemed to be one who carried religion > in his heart, turn around very quickly to wield a sharp, vengeful, > bloody war sword. > Nicely said! >   We as a nation have lost our origins and we are falling by the > wayside. We have seperated further and further from what is real and > what is true. > Or perhaps we can say that we have lost the more important VALUES that are > humitarian based for the sake of material values. >We need to look hard at our actions, the world around us > and extend a helping hand to all nations regardless of what they can > give back. Our problems are not solve via the sword, they are solved > by the example set forth from He who died for us all on the cross. The > example of Love, caring and understanding. We are in the spotlight to > set an example to all the nations on how to behave, and we are loosing > the chance. > Bravo my brother! >   www.fillingtime.com

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>And has the highest death rate due to heart desease and has the most obese >people and is home to McDonalds (the largest toy distributer in the >world-how diabolical) and is the proud founder of the Jerry Springer show >( a characature of American Culture), and historically has produced the most >oil dripping, smoke belching hunks of Detroit steel ever to grace its >highways but I do give them credit for their generosities however, their >generosity is directly proportional to their wealth which like every other >nation in history has a life cycle.

mcdonalds, jerry springer, and the like are all vices, but they are all ways for people of means to entertain themselves.. whats wrong with that??? whats wrong with being obease??? it’s a life style choice. if you lived in russia, you would be a slave to the vodka bottle, if you lived in thiland you would have aids, if you lived in afganastan you would have a heroin habit…. human nature tends to have self destructive habits, this is not the fault of the system of goventment, unless you would prefer a totalitarian state where salt is outlawed and bodily fluid transfer (aka sex, humping, the hunka-chunka, doing the wild thing) has been behaviorly engineered out of acceptable society. >Kinda like what the US went thu with slavery and such but of course the >Americans are the holiest.

what does that have to do with today???? slavery was wrong and we went to war to stop it. judge a country by it’s actions now, not by what happened 200 years ago… >Pollution ain’t high on the political agenda for the US because of their >glutenous appetite for energy. >Where is the US on the Kyoto accord??

and other forms of government are more environmentally concious???? what about the polution caused by the soviet union…. what about the oil feilds burned by saddam husien… what about the whales killed by japan? oh yhea.. i forgot.. only the evil us destroys the environment…. >Because it was IN THE INTEREST OF THE US!

should we give wealth and comfort to those who do not serve our best intrests???? tell you what… why dont you get a liscence to carry a concealed weapon.. this way, if one day you get mugged you can politely give the thug your firearm so as to help someone who does not have your best intrests in mind… get real…. >Ummm I think that was 100 Million for AIDS??? or less than 1/2 of 1% of his >net worth. Excellent PR. You go Bill.

who cares what percentage of his wealth he gave away….. when you personally have caughed up more than gates for charitable reasons, then and only then do you have the right to complain about what fraction of his wealth he has given to others…. simple point… 100 million is a very large sum of money, and surprise surprise, he doesnt have to give one cent of it away, but none the less he chooses to do so…. give the man credit for doing something  for others, and at a magnitude you can never hope to do, not complain that it wasnt enough…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > =>  > The USA Today > =>  > > =>  > > =>  > > =>  >    The events of sept 11th have redefined our lives in many many ways. > =>  > There is one aspect that has risen up that should be viewed in a > =>  > positive light. A reality that the world extends beyond what we see, > =>  > beyond our warm houses and windows. Outside of this lies a span of > =>  > land, water, and continents. This span consist of a people, like you > =>  > and I whom we often forget live hard, dangerous and empty lives. More > =>  > parts than lesser have people not nearly 1/5th as wealthy, > =>  > intelligent, comfortable, warm, full, and healthy as ourselves. there > =>  > is a gross imbalance of wealth, and poverty. There is one extreme, > =>  > then the other. America has become the Country every other has tried > =>  > to look up to, this country has set standards, this country has > =>  > achieved much, and it has so because it was built on foundations based > =>  > on equality, freedom, and above all, God. One nation under God, In God > =>  > we trust, God bless America. > => > =>  Unless of course you ask the other half of the world what they think of > =>  America and you will get a different opinion. Its not all about America any > =>  more. America is 5% of the world population who consumes 25% of the worlds > =>  energy resources. > And produces 28% of the worlds gross economic product.

And has the highest death rate due to heart desease and has the most obese people and is home to McDonalds (the largest toy distributer in the world-how diabolical) and is the proud founder of the Jerry Springer show ( a characature of American Culture), and historically has produced the most oil dripping, smoke belching hunks of Detroit steel ever to grace its highways but I do give them credit for their generosities however, their generosity is directly proportional to their wealth which like every other nation in history has a life cycle. > The United States is not alone in it’s wealth.  We do set the standard and do help others > achieve what we have,  Witness Germany and Japan, devastated by war but

now among the richest > and most influential nations.  Our way works – Democracy, Freedom,

Capitalism and Universal > Education.  Look around the world, over and over and over again, every

country that has tried > to emulate us has succeeded while nations that do not adopt these

principals are mired in > poverty and oppression. > Muslim countries that marginalize half their populations under burqas and condemn another 20% > to memorize the Koran are condemning themselves to the bottom of the pile and it’s not our > fault.

Kinda like what the US went thu with slavery and such but of course the Americans are the holiest. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> => They have gobs of money to throw at any humanitarian cause > =>  which of course makes them worthy of praise but its easy to give when > =>  you have so much. > => > =>  >This country has lost its focus, has > =>  > detached God from its name because of political reasons, has ousted > =>  > the church (separation of church and state) from its heart. That is > =>  > were we began to err, that is where the examples and regards we had > =>  > from other nations, was lost. Now we are looked upon for our monetary > =>  > achievements. This nation is no longer under God, it is under the > =>  > dollar. We have forgotten to spread the wealth to our brothers and > =>  > sisters, and that is what was brought to light that day. When life is > =>  > not worth much in the land you live in, it is easy to forgo it in the > =>  > form of an evil suicide attack. > => > =>  Precisely; these people have nothing to loose and in the case of sept/11, > =>  these people honestly see the US as a source of their misery. The US has not > =>  been innocent in their actions and dealings with the rest of the world as > =>  they are quite prepared to do just about anything to protect their resources > =>  and ideologies from external threats. > That’s not true.  We’ve done enormous good all around the world, bringing freedom and great > wealth to many.  We are the beacon – a shining light of social

accomplishment. I’m getting shivers… > =>  Unfortunately, someone or something > =>  must suffer in the process. The fundamental problem with democracy and the > =>  free enterprise model is that it is a maximizing process in that it is like > =>  an appetite, its never satisfied. We need more production, more consumption, > =>  higher profits. Investors expect continued growth on investments. Its time > Exactly.  Wealth is created and our system proves that.  Democracy,

Freedom, Capitalism and > Universal Education.

Democracy is a bunch of wolves and a sheep sitting at a table deciding whats for supper. Freedom is relative, Capitalism rewards greed and creates an upward flow of surplus wealth into fewer and fewer pockets leaving less for greater numbers of people in the long run. The wealthiest represent only the upper thin crust of the worlds population. What shall we say to the starving, just get democracy and you will be saved? > =>  to rethink this model because the world with all its richness is limited. > =>  There is NO SUCH THING as continued growth forever. So we must ask, when > =>  will we be satisfied? > Never.  We can always do better and we can always produce more and grow

richer. Who’s we? > =>  To date, we have been willing to trash the planet for > =>  the sake of profits. > So you’re saying if not profit there would not be environmental impact – that if we were all > communists there wouldn’t be any pollution?

Pollution ain’t high on the political agenda for the US because of their glutenous appetite for energy. Where is the US on the Kyoto accord?? "At their high-level meeting in the northern Swedish town of Kiruna, European environment ministers took stock of the situation and condemned the US move.       EU ministers are meeting to take stock Kyoto "is still alive, and no individual country has the right to declare that a multilateral accord is dead", Swedish Environment Minister Kjell Larsson said. The widespread international condemnation of President Bush’s decision has left the US looking increasingly isolated. " > =>  >   I was ashamed at the amount of coverage that was given to subjects > =>  > such as the stock market, how is the market going to react, wall > =>  > street, Christmas shopping etc. Meanwhile leaders appear on television > =>  > urging Americans to continue their lives and keep shopping. We can > =>  > shop till this nation shops itself apart. We can shop in trendy malls > =>  > while millions starve and die because they don’t have a piece of > =>  > bread. > So what do you suggest?  You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make

it drink.  Are we to > overthrow the oppressive governments if the oppressed won’t rise up?

We’re here, the beacon, > and they can see what our way has achieved. > => We can shop while desperation takes grip of poor nations and > =>  > their leaders, clouding their minds and ability to do what is right, > =>  > what is true, and allowing  entire countries to sink into a > =>  > never-ending spiral of demise, While we turn a blind eye, > A blind eye?  My God, man, you need to read a history book.  We’ve given

blood and treasure to > set hundreds of millions free and we’ve helped them achieve what we have.

Because it was IN THE INTEREST OF THE US! > =>  > often, unless off course, there is a financial interest. It upsets me > =>  > to see that the true reasons that lie beneath the surface of decisions > =>  > and policies are based on selfishness, greed and power. It upsets me > Right on. That’s human nature and the essence of capitalism.  Greed is

good.  It produces great > wealth.

Greed produces great GREED  (read Enron) > =>  > to see a leader, who initially seemed to be one who carried religion > =>  > in his heart, turn around very quickly to wield a sharp, vengeful, > =>  > bloody war sword. > => > Sounds like a Mullah to me.  Have you ever stopped to consider how much

death, oppression and > human misery religion has caused all through history?  "My God is the True God and I will Kill > You if You Don’t Agree."  How many wars have been fought on that basis? Instead of shutting > the United States down, maybe we should make religion illegal all through

the world. Hmmmm that just might work ya know. > =>  Nicely said! > =>  > > =>  >   We as a nation have lost our origins and we are falling by the > =>  > wayside. We have seperated further and further from what is real and > =>  > what is true. > => > =>  Or perhaps we can say that we have lost the more important VALUES that are > =>  humitarian based for the sake of material values. > => > You, him, they or whoever are all absolutely free to extend whatever

VALUES you think are > important anywhere you want.  If you extend humanitarian aid, you will be

a hero.  And you are > free to create great wealth and use that to do as you please.  Bill Gates just committed 24 > BILLION dollars to improving health care in backward nations.

Ummm I think that was 100 Million for AIDS??? or less than 1/2 of 1% of his net worth. Excellent PR. You go Bill. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> =>  >We need to look hard at our actions, the world around us > =>  > and extend a helping hand to all nations regardless of what they can > =>  > give back. Our problems are not solve via the sword, they are solved > =>  > by the example set forth from He who died for us all on the cross. The > =>  > example of Love, caring and understanding. We are in the spotlight to > =>  > set an example to all the nations on how to behave, and we are loosing > =>  > the chance.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The USA Today >    The events of sept 11th have redefined our lives in many many ways. > There is one aspect that has risen up that should be viewed in a > positive light. A reality that the world extends beyond what we see, > beyond our warm houses and windows. Outside of this lies a span of > land, water, and continents. This span consist of a people, like you > and I whom we often forget live hard, dangerous and empty lives. More > parts than lesser have people not nearly 1/5th as wealthy, > intelligent, comfortable, warm, full, and healthy as ourselves. there > is a gross imbalance of wealth, and poverty. There is one extreme, > then the other. America has become the Country every other has tried > to look up to, this country has set standards, this country has > achieved much, and it has so because it was built on foundations based > on equality, freedom, and above all, God. One nation under God, In God > we trust, God bless America.

Unless of course you ask the other half of the world what they think of America and you will get a different opinion. Its not all about America any more. America is 5% of the world population who consumes 25% of the worlds energy resources. They have gobs of money to throw at any humaitarian cause which of course makes them them worthy of praise but its easy to give when you have so much. >This country has lost its focus, has > detached God from its name because of political reasons, has ousted > the church (separation of church and state) from its heart. That is > were we began to err, that is where the examples and regards we had > from other nations, was lost. Now we are looked upon for our monetary > achievements. This nation is no longer under God, it is under the > dollar. We have forgotten to spread the wealth to our brothers and > sisters, and that is what was brought to light that day. When life is > not worth much in the land you live in, it is easy to forgo it in the > form of an evil suicide attack.

Precisely; these people have nothing to loose and in the case of sept/11, these people honestly see the US as a source of their misery. The US has not been innocent in their actions and dealings with the rest of the world as they are quite prepared to do just about anything to protect their resources and ideologies from external threats. Unfortunately, someone or something must suffer in the process. The fundamental problem with democracy and the free enterprise model is that it is a maximising process in that it is like an appetite, its never satisfied. We need more production, more consumption, higher profits. Investors expect continued growth on investments. Its time to rethink this model because the world with all its richness is limited. There is NO SUCH THING as continued growth forever. So we must ask, when will we be satified? To date, we have been willing to trash the planet for the sake of profits. Don’t we see it everywhere? There will be reckoning. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->   I was ashamed at the amount of coverage that was given to subjects > such as the stock market, how is the market going to react, wall > street, Christmas shopping etc. Meanwhile leaders appear on television > urging Americans to continue their lives and keep shopping. We can > shop till this nation shops itself apart. We can shop in trendy malls > while millions starve and die because they don’t have a piece of > bread. We can shop while desperation takes grip of poor nations and > their leaders, clouding their minds and ability to do what is right, > what is true, and allowing  entire countries to sink into a > never-ending spiral of demise, While we turn a blind eye, ever more > often, unless off course, there is a financial interest. It upsets me > to see that the true reasons that lie beneath the surface of decisions > and policies are based on selfishness, greed and power. It upsets me > to see a leader, who initially seemed to be one who carried religion > in his heart, turn around very quickly to wield a sharp, vengeful, > bloody war sword.

Nicely said! >   We as a nation have lost our origins and we are falling by the > wayside. We have seperated further and further from what is real and > what is true.

Or perhaps we can say that we have lost the more important VALUES that are humitarian based for the sake of material values. >We need to look hard at our actions, the world around us > and extend a helping hand to all nations regardless of what they can > give back. Our problems are not solve via the sword, they are solved > by the example set forth from He who died for us all on the cross. The > example of Love, caring and understanding. We are in the spotlight to > set an example to all the nations on how to behave, and we are loosing > the chance.

Bravo my brother! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->   www.fillingtime.com

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The USA Today    The events of sept 11th have redefined our lives in many many ways. There is one aspect that has risen up that should be viewed in a positive light. A reality that the world extends beyond what we see, beyond our warm houses and windows. Outside of this lies a span of land, water, and continents. This span consist of a people, like you and I whom we often forget live hard, dangerous and empty lives. More parts than lesser have people not nearly 1/5th as wealthy, intelligent, comfortable, warm, full, and healthy as ourselves. there is a gross imbalance of wealth, and poverty. There is one extreme, then the other. America has become the Country every other has tried to look up to, this country has set standards, this country has achieved much, and it has so because it was built on foundations based on equality, freedom, and above all, God. One nation under God, In God we trust, God bless America. This country has lost its focus, has detached God from its name because of political reasons, has ousted the church (separation of church and state) from its heart. That is were we began to err, that is where the examples and regards we had from other nations, was lost. Now we are looked upon for our monetary achievements. This nation is no longer under God, it is under the dollar. We have forgotten to spread the wealth to our brothers and sisters, and that is what was brought to light that day. When life is not worth much in the land you live in, it is easy to forgo it in the form of an evil suicide attack.   I was ashamed at the amount of coverage that was given to subjects such as the stock market, how is the market going to react, wall street, Christmas shopping etc. Meanwhile leaders appear on television urging Americans to continue their lives and keep shopping. We can shop till this nation shops itself apart. We can shop in trendy malls while millions starve and die because they don’t have a piece of bread. We can shop while desperation takes grip of poor nations and their leaders, clouding their minds and ability to do what is right, what is true, and allowing  entire countries to sink into a never-ending spiral of demise, While we turn a blind eye, ever more often, unless off course, there is a financial interest. It upsets me to see that the true reasons that lie beneath the surface of decisions and policies are based on selfishness, greed and power. It upsets me to see a leader, who initially seemed to be one who carried religion in his heart, turn around very quickly to wield a sharp, vengeful, bloody war sword.   We as a nation have lost our origins and we are falling by the wayside. We have seperated further and further from what is real and what is true. We need to look hard at our actions, the world around us and extend a helping hand to all nations regardless of what they can give back. Our problems are not solve via the sword, they are solved by the example set forth from He who died for us all on the cross. The example of Love, caring and understanding. We are in the spotlight to set an example to all the nations on how to behave, and we are loosing the chance.   www.fillingtime.com

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