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q? topical pain relief, is there ?

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LOLOL!!   No Alec, I’m NOT using the industrial solvent!! The DMSO I use has always been at least 99% pure by the label. The gel I’m experimenting with is 70% DMSO & 30% Aloe so that reduces the posibility of skin irritation but doesn’t eliminate it.   Despite the long history of its OTC use in the US for inflammation, it’s still illegal to sell it for anything other than a solvent/dry-cleaning agent. It’s all labeled as such, too.    I don’t recommend it, as I said, but I use it & it works so I thought I’d mention it … as the original poster was looking for ideas. It runs me around $8. for a six week supply.    Peace, Weezie In article >Getting DMSO that’s pure enough to be safe to use is extremely >difficult. Your comment about it burning sensitive skin makes me think >that you’ve got indutrial-solvent DMSO,

which is very impure and >potentially toxic. >I get PLO gel

for a reasonable price. I also get it with Diclofenac, >cyclobenzaprine and lidocaine mixed in. It’s so

good that it reduces my >need for morphine by better than 50%

and also gives me pain relief for >the acute pain that morphine

wouldn’t touch. With the added ingredients >the price goes up,

of course, but only by the cost of the ingredients. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >weezietoo > >And don’t use it if you sleep in a > heated waterbed… it feels like you’re > >on fire!!! > >Will > DMSO works well topically to reduce > inflammation for me .. especially with new injuries. It does > have a strong chemical odor & can burn sensitive skin but it’s > still workable for me.  I’m switching from the liquid to the gel > & adding pain killers and/or topical

numbing agents like Anbesol > to see if the DMSO will get them

closer to the pain.  Nothing > scientific, though with my "experiments". <bg> > DMSO by itself > has been proven to

help reduce inflammation AFAIK. > Good luck! > Weezie

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> I don’t recommend it, as I said, but I use it & it >works so I thought I’d mention it … as the original poster was >looking for ideas. It runs me around $8. for a six week >supply. >   Peace, Weezie

Weezie, Again I’d like to ask you:  where do you get your DMSO from? Karena

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>> I don’t recommend it, as I said, but I use it & it >works so I thought I’d mention it … as the original poster was >looking for ideas. It runs me around $8. for a six week >supply. >   Peace, Weezie >Weezie, >Again I’d like to ask you:  where do you get your DMSO from? >Karena

        Just go to a Vet supply.  It is legal to buy.  They stock it in 4 ounce bottles.  If you can’t find it any other way, check: Advanced Products 2214 Weat Burbank Blvd. Burnank California, 91506

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Karena, I can’t answer for Weezie, but when I was getting treatments of DMSO, it was from a Urologist.  I am told that Veterinarians use it as well, so you might want to call around to Vets and see where they get it from… Just a thought. Robin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I don’t recommend it, as I said, but I use it & it >works so I thought I’d mention it … as the original poster was >looking for ideas. It runs me around $8. for a six week >supply. >   Peace, Weezie >Weezie, >Again I’d like to ask you:  where do you get your DMSO from? >Karena

I am *not* a Medical Doctor (MD) or *any* other type of Medical Professional. PLEASE consult your own Dr. for medical advice.  The information posted is information I have learned from researching or learning from my own disease.

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Thanks Wayne!      This Webtv only spits out 15-20 new posts daily … when I have a chance I check Remarq or Deja for more. I’ve always gotten my DMSO at local health food stores.   My current one is not going to be selling it any more, though …. it’ll be off to the vet I guess.        Weezie — I wish I wuz a glow worm A glow worm’s never glum. ‘Cuz how can you be grumpy When the sun shines out your bum?

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>I’ve always gotten my DMSO at local health food stores.   My current one >is not going to be selling it any more, though …. it’ll be off to the >vet I guess.

Is it sold under that name at the health food store or the Vet supply store? Where can I get it? Nikki "… lost in the darkness of my own circumstance, criticizing echoes leaving me awake in the night… the barrier and blockades that keep me safe and in control while I pretend that I am okay… "

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My osteopath sells BioFreeze in either a tube or a roll-on.  I get the roll-on for $8 a bottle, which is his cost (he has a thing about not making a whole lot of money on people’s pain).  I use it for muscle spasms, things I can feel through my skin with my fingers (fibromyalgia), or bursitis in my hip.  My husband uses it for tendinitis from playing tennis with a much younger partner.  We both really like it.  It relieves pain for a while, and in my case it can work long enough for me to relax the muscle if I catch it early enough.  It doesn’t stink once it dries, and it has a great hot-and-cold sensation when you first put it on. Standard disclaimer applies.  I don’t even have a clue who makes the stuff; I’d have to go look on the bottle and that would involve getting off the couch. I don’t get any kickback and this ain’t no spam. mary

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The physical therapist I had at Swedish hospital found it for me, and for the record it only requires application, not the burn rub the aids’ used with old ben. on the other issue of spray, topical…..I personally recommend bactroban spray.  commonly called second skin. bjh

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>DMSO works well topically to reduce >inflammation for me .. especially with new injuries. It does >have a strong chemical odor & can burn sensitive skin but it’s >still workable for me.  I’m switching from the liquid to the gel >& adding pain killers and/or topical numbing agents like Anbesol >to see if the DMSO will get them closer to the pain.  Nothing >scientific, though with my "experiments". <bg>

Hi Weezie, Where do you get the DMSO you are using?  By prescription, or can you buy it OTC?  I had a bladder instillation of DMSO for my interstitial cystitis that hurt so bad I wanted to die, but I have a cream given to be by script and compunded that has DMSO in it, and I find it helps.  I’d like to get my hands on some DMSO for my husband and his joint pain, which is being under-treated. He gets relief from my cream, but I’m selfish and I’d rather he have his own DMSO Karena

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Getting DMSO that’s pure enough to be safe to use is extremely difficult. Your comment about it burning sensitive skin makes me think that you’ve got indutrial-solvent DMSO, which is very impure and potentially toxic. I get PLO gel for a reasonable price. I also get it with Diclofenac, cyclobenzaprine and lidocaine mixed in. It’s so good that it reduces my need for morphine by better than 50% and also gives me pain relief for the acute pain that morphine wouldn’t touch. With the added ingredients the price goes up, of course, but only by the cost of the ingredients. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And don’t use it if you sleep in a > heated waterbed… it feels like you’re >on > fire!!! >Will > DMSO works well topically to reduce > inflammation for me .. especially with new injuries. It does > have a strong chemical odor & can burn sensitive skin but it’s > still workable for me.  I’m switching from the liquid to the gel > & adding pain killers and/or topical numbing agents like Anbesol > to see if the DMSO will get them closer to the pain.  Nothing > scientific, though with my "experiments". <bg> > DMSO by itself > has been proven to help reduce inflammation AFAIK. > Good luck! > Weezie > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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And don’t use it if you sleep in a heated waterbed… it feels like you’re on fire!!! Will – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Zada: >    For Neuropathic pain, there is a topical substance that has shown a > great deal of promise.  Capcaisin (spelling?).  It seems to inhibit > substance P – a molecule involved in inflammation and pain production. > The releif is suposed to be profound and long lasting (months????). >    There is a problem though.  It seems that Capcaisin when applied, > intially increased the burning and pain significantly.  Furthermore, it > must be applied religiously and faithfully to get the benefit.  Due to > these factors compliance has been poor.  They are currently > experimenting with higher doses applied topically under anesthesia.  We > will see what happens. >    In any case, it is certainly an option worth talking over with your > Doctor. > Hope that helps, > mcap > http://www.thebackpage.net/ > Before you buy.

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>And don’t use it if you sleep in a

heated waterbed… it feels like you’re >on fire!!! >Will

DMSO works well topically to reduce inflammation for me .. especially with new injuries. It does have a strong chemical odor & can burn sensitive skin but it’s still workable for me.  I’m switching from the liquid to the gel & adding pain killers and/or topical numbing agents like Anbesol to see if the DMSO will get them closer to the pain.  Nothing scientific, though with my "experiments". <bg> DMSO by itself has been proven to help reduce inflammation AFAIK. Good luck! Weezie * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Zada:    For Neuropathic pain, there is a topical substance that has shown a great deal of promise.  Capcaisin (spelling?).  It seems to inhibit substance P – a molecule involved in inflammation and pain production. The releif is suposed to be profound and long lasting (months????).    There is a problem though.  It seems that Capcaisin when applied, intially increased the burning and pain significantly.  Furthermore, it must be applied religiously and faithfully to get the benefit.  Due to these factors compliance has been poor.  They are currently experimenting with higher doses applied topically under anesthesia.  We will see what happens.    In any case, it is certainly an option worth talking over with your Doctor. Hope that helps, mcap http://www.thebackpage.net/ Before you buy.

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Alec,     Thanks for the hilarious mental picture ! What image of the horses face did your BiL describe?  You are one of a kind my friend. A laugh like I just had is as good as they get. Peace, Richard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I couldn’t see it, but my rat-fink brother-in-law started pointing at > the horse’s expression, laughing himself into exhaustion – while I > noticed that THE SADDLE WAS SLIDING SIDEWAYS

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> Alec, >     Thanks for the hilarious mental picture ! What image of > the horses face did your BiL describe?  You are one of a kind

He described it as a look of total consternation, bulging eyes and a "what did I do to deserve this!!" expression. He (my BiL) is a very cruel person! Fortunately I don’t bump into him much any more – he’s now my EX-BiL. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> my friend. A laugh like I just had is as good as they get. > Peace, Richard > I couldn’t see it, but my rat-fink brother-in-law started pointing at > the horse’s expression, laughing himself into exhaustion – while I > noticed that THE SADDLE WAS SLIDING SIDEWAYS

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Alec,     After 20 years of divorce, my ex-in-laws have become great friends and a source of emotional support with my RSD. Perhaps the years will remove his cruelty, in the same way the years healed the wounds of 20 years ago in my life. Peace, Richard

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> He (my BiL) is a very cruel person! Fortunately I don’t bump into him > much any more – he’s now my EX-BiL.

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At last!!!  Something we can agree on, Rick!!!  I miss my horses so much..We had a great stable and a lot of kids were always hanging around, just to help…that was how we got our first "throw away kid"…his name was Billy…Little Billy, as he was very short and terribly mal nourished!  His"mother" and "Father" had 8 children…just to get the welfare checks..one night after a show, (Little Billy rode jr. events for us), we took him home.  It was very cold for FL. in the low 40’s, we turned down this lane at his direction, and about halfway to the house he told us to stop. Where we stopped there was a dark tool shed. Ernie asked if Billy wanted to put up his gear, but Billy said, "No, this is where I live". Ernie went into the shed with Billy…there was a army cot, some nails on the walls, piles of dirty clothes, no lights, no water, no anything!!!!  Ernie grabbed some clothes from the pile, pulled Billy back into the car and told him "You will NEVER live there again!!!" He never did.  He came home with us, his father didn’t care a hoot, as long as we didn’t tell the welfare people.  Little Billy lived with us until he moved to Rio Dosa.  He became a jockey, got later, his best friend, Mike, came over to the house and told us that Little Billy had died in a house fire! He fell asleep with a cig in his hand.  His wife and daughter lost a wonderful man and we lost an adored little boy, that didn’t have a place to live….. Joani

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Adrian….Only to set the record straight on "soaking a tee shirt in >> Absorpine Jr. and then applying it to your back.  That is a BIG NO >> NO!  I used quarts and quarts of it over the years on my horses. >> Yes, it works great on sore muscles from speed events and racing. >> (of horses).  But it should never, never be used in that manner. >> You could "burn" your skin off! Always use it according to the >> instructions on the bottle. By soaking a shirt in it and then >> keeping it on your back you are getting far too much of it!  It >> needs the air to "cool" it off. JMO, after raising and racing >> quarterhorses for 20 years…..Lord, I miss my horses!  Although >> that is probably why my knees are shot.  Hitting barrels and poles >> time after time after time is not good for anyones body!  Not to >> mention how many times I hit the ground!  LOL….  Joani >I’ve been on a horse ONCE in my entire life. The owner of the riding >stable got out her strongest horse, put on the biggest saddle and I >managed with much help to clamber on. >I couldn’t see it, but my rat-fink brother-in-law started pointing at >the horse’s expression, laughing himself into exhaustion – while I >noticed that THE SADDLE WAS SLIDING SIDEWAYS!! >I yelled at the stable owner that I felt the saddle slide and she yelled >back to tilt my self the other way. I tried but it didn’t work, so I >kept sliding. The horse was helping the slide along  and I was certain >that I was going to fall off when they took pity on the horse and >brought over a box for me to step onto and off the horse. >After a day of ribbing, I swore to never try horseback riding again! >The horses probably all agreed! >Man that’s quite a visual<g>. It looks like I will be forced to sell >mine. Anybody want to give *Mr T* a new home. This stuff really is a >bummer. My wife has worked long and hard overcoming her fear of horses >and has finally become competent with her horse. Mine can be a >handfull and I can’t even imagine getting back on him. We only >recently got back into it, guess I’ll just have to learn to enjoy >*watching*. >Rick

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> Adrian….Only to set the record straight on "soaking a tee shirt in > Absorpine Jr. and then applying it to your back.  That is a BIG NO > NO!  I used quarts and quarts of it over the years on my horses. > Yes, it works great on sore muscles from speed events and racing. > (of horses).  But it should never, never be used in that manner. > You could "burn" your skin off! Always use it according to the > instructions on the bottle. By soaking a shirt in it and then > keeping it on your back you are getting far too much of it!  It > needs the air to "cool" it off. JMO, after raising and racing > quarterhorses for 20 years…..Lord, I miss my horses!  Although > that is probably why my knees are shot.  Hitting barrels and poles > time after time after time is not good for anyones body!  Not to > mention how many times I hit the ground!  LOL….  Joani

I’ve been on a horse ONCE in my entire life. The owner of the riding stable got out her strongest horse, put on the biggest saddle and I managed with much help to clamber on. I couldn’t see it, but my rat-fink brother-in-law started pointing at the horse’s expression, laughing himself into exhaustion – while I noticed that THE SADDLE WAS SLIDING SIDEWAYS!! I yelled at the stable owner that I felt the saddle slide and she yelled back to tilt my self the other way. I tried but it didn’t work, so I kept sliding. The horse was helping the slide along  and I was certain that I was going to fall off when they took pity on the horse and brought over a box for me to step onto and off the horse. After a day of ribbing, I swore to never try horseback riding again! The horses probably all agreed!

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Don’t know if this helps or not, but when you’re left to your own devices to apply topical stuff, you might consider using a long-handled plastic spoon.  Of course you put the ointment on the back of the spoon rather than inside the scoop part, but I’m sure you already knew that!   Anyway, it has always worked for me–just my $0.02 Pamala

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Adrian….Only to set the record straight on "soaking a tee shirt in Absorpine Jr. and then applying it to your back.  That is a BIG NO NO!  I used quarts and quarts of it over the years on my horses. Yes, it works great on sore muscles from speed events and racing. (of horses).  But it should never, never be used in that manner. You could "burn" your skin off! Always use it according to the instructions on the bottle. By soaking a shirt in it and then keeping it on your back you are getting far too much of it!  It needs the air to "cool" it off. JMO, after raising and racing quarterhorses for 20 years…..Lord, I miss my horses!  Although that is probably why my knees are shot.  Hitting barrels and poles time after time after time is not good for anyones body!  Not to mention how many times I hit the ground!  LOL….  Joani

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->my recent thoracic pain had driven me to try and get *some* relief with >topical stuff, but the problem here is that for some reason, i cannot >reach my own back to apply it; how-so-ever…. >got my dear wife to apply regular old generic *vicks* type ointment and >i actually get pain relief for 2-3 hours, at least! >I’m glad it’s helping you.  I don’t think it’s often useful >for severe pain, but that just means you’re very lucky!  If >the stickiness of the regular Vicks ointment is a problem, >look for the "Vicks Greaseless Cream."  It has the same active >ingredients in an emulsified gel that feels much less sticky. >If you need frequent application when your wife is not around, >you might try "Absorpine Jr."  That’s a liquid that I think has >some of the same active ingredients as Vicks, in an alcohol base. >It might help you, or might not.  Being a liquid, it could be >easier for you to put on hard-to-reach spots.  Or you can soak >it into the appropriate part of an old t-shirt, then put on the >shirt. >this is much better (and safer!) than the *vioxx 50 mg/3xday* that i >have tried to use these last couple of days!  for the record, i have yet >to find an *nsaid* that gives me pain relief in the mid back, including: >any ibuprofen product, lodine xl, ultram, vioxx…. >does anyone know of a topical spray product that will mask moderate to >severe pain of neuropathic origin? >I have no idea how to treat neuropathy.  But you might try experimenting >with topical anesthetic sprays.  A lot of drugstores sell them in the >summer, for treating sunburns.  They usually contain benzocaine, to numb >the skin for a few hours.  The capsacin-based ointments, such as Zostrix, >might be useful for you, even though they are not available in spray >form. >Adrian >Opportunity knocks once.  Temptation leans on the doorbell.

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my recent thoracic pain had driven me to try and get *some* relief with topical stuff, but the problem here is that for some reason, i cannot reach my own back to apply it; how-so-ever…. got my dear wife to apply regular old generic *vicks* type ointment and i actually get pain relief for 2-3 hours, at least! this is much better (and safer!) than the *vioxx 50 mg/3xday* that i have tried to use these last couple of days!  for the record, i have yet to find an *nsaid* that gives me pain relief in the mid back, including: any ibuprofen product, lodine xl, ultram, vioxx…. does anyone know of a topical spray product that will mask moderate to severe pain of neuropathic origin? seems my wife does not care for the gooeyness of the ointment, and also, i really could use about 6x applications per day at this point! suggestions for topical pain relief? thx! z <+>< .

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>my recent thoracic pain had driven me to try and get *some* relief with >topical stuff, but the problem here is that for some reason, i cannot >reach my own back to apply it; how-so-ever…. >got my dear wife to apply regular old generic *vicks* type ointment and >i actually get pain relief for 2-3 hours, at least!

I’m glad it’s helping you.  I don’t think it’s often useful for severe pain, but that just means you’re very lucky!  If the stickiness of the regular Vicks ointment is a problem, look for the "Vicks Greaseless Cream."  It has the same active ingredients in an emulsified gel that feels much less sticky. If you need frequent application when your wife is not around, you might try "Absorpine Jr."  That’s a liquid that I think has some of the same active ingredients as Vicks, in an alcohol base. It might help you, or might not.  Being a liquid, it could be easier for you to put on hard-to-reach spots.  Or you can soak it into the appropriate part of an old t-shirt, then put on the shirt. >this is much better (and safer!) than the *vioxx 50 mg/3xday* that i >have tried to use these last couple of days!  for the record, i have yet >to find an *nsaid* that gives me pain relief in the mid back, including: >any ibuprofen product, lodine xl, ultram, vioxx…. >does anyone know of a topical spray product that will mask moderate to >severe pain of neuropathic origin?

I have no idea how to treat neuropathy.  But you might try experimenting with topical anesthetic sprays.  A lot of drugstores sell them in the summer, for treating sunburns.  They usually contain benzocaine, to numb the skin for a few hours.  The capsacin-based ointments, such as Zostrix, might be useful for you, even though they are not available in spray form. Adrian Opportunity knocks once.  Temptation leans on the doorbell.

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