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Florida Judge orders GRILLING of Quackbuster PERJURER(?)

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>   do you think bobby baratz hitchhikes to give his "expert testimony" ?

I don’t know how Dr. Baratz gets there, Ilena, but what does it matter?  Tim Bolen, Hulda Clark’s publicist, has claimed to be there as well, I believe.  Maybe he hitchhiked. do you think stevie donated his time to the AMA to write their Readers Guide? Maybe Ilena.  If you can donate $100,000 to do what you do, why can’t Dr. Barrett operate in a similar manner? > do you think their 31 lawyers volunteer their time?

Maybe.  Dr. Barrett asks for volunteers to help.  What 31 lawyers are you talking about, anyway? > they are well funded slicker than snot on a doorknob enterprises … and > if you play Junk$cientist MarciaAngell’s "Follow the Money" game and see > who benefits from the attacks of the HealthFrauds … you’ll find the > answers.

I’m not familiar with Marcia Angell’s "Follow the Money."  Please fill me in about it.  Above you talk about "who benefits."  The fact that somebody benefits does not prove there is something nefarious going on.  There are probably groups benefiting from what you do also, Ilena.   Does this also mean you are doing something "slicker that snot"? > the vast majority of the over $100K I’ve spent so far came from my > personal savings, investments, and a small inheritance.

If you go to http://www.quackwatch.com and click on where it says "mission statement," it explains where Dr. Barrett gets his funding in a general way.  If we’re to believe where you get the "100K" you’ve spent Ilena, then maybe it’s just as reasonable to assume that Dr. Barrett gets his funding as he claims.  It may even be more reasonable.  How do we know the attorneys who did the class action suit on silicon breast implants aren’t slipping you some major dollars? Bill Ross — Posted from mailcore3.oh.voyager.net [207.90.100.14] via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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Did anyone figure out if Baratz is employed or not? BL

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> Did anyone figure out if Baratz is employed or not?

He is listed as being an assistant clinical professor at Boston University.  One can go to their website, or call the university, and his employment there should be confirmed.  I’ve checked their site twice, and called the university once.  Each time I found him listed. Bill Ross — Posted from mailcore3.oh.voyager.net [207.90.100.14] via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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Jan, I don’t know the answer to your questions on Boston University.  I know I’ve found Dr. Baratz on their website as an employee, and I’ve even called them by phone to verify he works there.  I assume he still does.  If I have to call them again, I will.  But maybe it’s your turn to call, have some patience with them, and I think they will give you the pertinent information on Baratz’s employment that you want. Please report back.  I will call if you want, but will you believe me when I report back?  This is getting a bit crazy.  It’s obvious to me that Bolen was wrong about Baratz, but if more convincing needs to be done, I’ll try to do it. Bill — Posted from mailcore1.oh.voyager.net [207.0.229.19] via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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**Hulda Clark’s publicist, Tim Bolen, has issued another one of his **"opinions."  I received it a few days ago at my email account.  He considers **me one of Barrett’s minions, quackpots, crazies, nazis or however he chooses **to label the opposition. you certainly give that impression. ** **Please don’t accept the accusations, innuendoes, insults, labels, and **misstatements of fact that Bolen dishes out so heavily and regularly, as **accurate.   Nor of those of my Plaintiffs and their propagandists … such as claiming some relationship between Hulda and I when there is none and that i’m the pawn of some lawyers … it’s all pure Propaganda … and more …

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**>But Baratz now has a VERY BIG PROBLEM.  The Florida Judge has **>ordered Baratz back into cross examination –  to answer questions **>about his false claims.  Phillips’ attorney will ask those **>questions.  The deposition will be OFFICIALLY recorded.  The **>"resumed" deposition has been ordered for Friday, April 6th, **>2001. **> * ** **I checked out Robert S Baratz at the Boston University website that Bill Ross **and Peter gave and it came back with nothing. I don’t doubt that it was there **when thry gave this a few weeks ago, but isn’t there now. Could it be that they **have taken it down? ** **Jan actually, i was able to locate him at Boston Univ when this was first circulated … there’s also a woman in my support group who told me about the goings on … what is more interesting … who pays baratz and the other HealthFrauds testify against those whose lives they wish to destroy … someone mentioned the King was crowing about getting someone indicted last week. These investigations cost plenty. quackwatch and healthwatcher.net are expensive enterprises … needs lots to keep them going … as the Queen of the Junk Scientists, Marcia Angell says, "Follow the money."

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 It’s obvious to me **that Bolen was wrong about Baratz only about whether or not he was on staff at BU … Your gang is wrong about plenty.

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* ** **blah blah blah Bill. You showed up at openhouse AFTER you had said *I just ** **That just might have a little something to do with the rub between you and Tim. **IOW you are both at fault. my god … the HealthFrauds threw someone off their list just for mentioned the name "Ilena Rose" … imagine if they’d had such a threat

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Jan, >I don’t know the answer to your questions on Boston University.  I >know I’ve found Dr. Baratz on their website as an employee, and I’ve >even called them by phone to verify he works there.  I assume he still >does.  If I have to call them again, I will.  But maybe it’s your turn >to call, have some patience with them, and I think they will give you >the pertinent information on Baratz’s employment that you want. >Please report back.  I will call if you want, but will you believe me >when I report back?  This is getting a bit crazy.  It’s obvious to me >that Bolen was wrong about Baratz, but if more convincing needs to be >done, I’ll try to do it. >Bill

Of course I can call, no problem. I have never expected anyone to do what I can do for myself. Neither did I question you or Peter when you gave the website. I didn’t try it until Saturday and I got nothing. Someone from this ng sent me a nasty little e-mail and said, be sure to spell it right this time. I did spell it right and I tried several times. I got a no results page. As for Tim, you will notice that I never repeat what he has said, and you know exactly how I feel about him. He knows it also. We are starting home tomorrow, but I will call and I will report back. Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Posted from mailcore1.oh.voyager.net [207.0.229.19] >via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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 It’s obvious to me **>that Bolen was wrong about Baratz on whether he was at boston u … nothing else has been disputed who do you think paid baratz to be there?

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>  It’s obvious to me > **that Bolen was wrong about Baratz > only about whether or not he was on staff at BU …

"Only"!  I think it’s a significant error (to label it charitably), and it’s not likely it was an accident..  And when you say it is the only thing he was wrong about concerning Baratz, which he played up big time by the way, how do you know the rest of what Bolin says is accurate?  Much of what he says would be hard to validate……so how did you got about checking it out Ilena?  How do we even know that Baratz even made some of the claims that Bolin says he did?  I’m not privy to what went on in the court, and I sure don’t trust Bolin to report it accurately. Bill Ross — Posted from mailcore4.oh.voyager.net [207.90.100.18] via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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> I don’t know about Tim Bolen, but the "Big Lie" (a propaganda technique) is > exactly what the AIDS Establishment Orthodoxy has been doing for years

now. All of them?  All the thousands of doctors who labour under the belief that HIV causes AIDS are simply brainwashed? erf

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>Of course I can call, no problem. I have never expected anyone to do what I can >do for myself. Neither did I question you or Peter when you gave the website. I >didn’t try it until Saturday and I got nothing. Someone from this ng sent me a >nasty little e-mail and said, be sure to spell it right this time. I did spell >it right and I tried several times. I got a no results page. As for Tim, you >will notice that I never repeat what he has said, and you know exactly how I >feel about him. He knows it also. >We are starting home tomorrow, but I will call and I will report back.

The link to do a search for faculty at BU is http://www.bu.edu/directory That should let you do a search.

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**All of them?  All the thousands of doctors who labour under the belief that **HIV causes AIDS are simply brainwashed? **erf could be puppy could be for decades, the majority of MedicalDeities thought that diet was causing ulcers … took until just a few years ago to identity the H. Pylori bacterium as the cause

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> **All of them?  All the thousands of doctors who labour under the belief that > **HIV causes AIDS are simply brainwashed? > could be puppy > could be > for decades, the majority of MedicalDeities thought that diet was causing > ulcers … took until just a few years ago to identity the H. Pylori > bacterium as the cause

I love it when people use this example to promote a conspiracy theory.  It is true that doctors were incorrect about the cause of ulcers UNTIL CONTRARY EVIDENCE CAME ALONG.  Then they embraced the findings.  This has happened countless times.  It’s beyond irony that you use it to defend the claim that doctors ignore evidence that HIV doesn’t cause AIDS. erf

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>quackwatch and healthwatcher.net are expensive enterprises … needs lots >to keep them going …

        No they’re not, Ilena.         How much does it cost to keep your silly little sites running? Who’s paying for _your_ work? —

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**>quackwatch and healthwatcher.net are expensive enterprises … needs lots **>to keep them going … ** **        No they’re not, Ilena. ROFLMVVVVVSAO nice try, bobby do you think bobby baratz hitchhikes to give his "expert testimony" ?  stevie and terry the terror hold bake sales to pay for their censorship campaigns? do you think stevie donated his time to the AMA to write their Readers Guide? do you think their 31 lawyers volunteer their time? they are well funded slicker than snot on a doorknob enterprises … and if you play Junk$cientist MarciaAngell’s "Follow the Money" game and see who benefits from the attacks of the HealthFrauds … you’ll find the answers. bye bye bobby **        How much does it cost to keep your silly little sites running? **Who’s paying for _your_ work? ** the vast majority of the over $100K I’ve spent so far came from my personal savings, investments, and a small inheritance. you?

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Hulda Clark’s publicist, Tim Bolen, has issued another one of his "opinions."  I received it a few days ago at my email account.  He considers me one of Barrett’s minions, quackpots, crazies, nazis or however he chooses to label the opposition. It was shown here a few weeks ago, that one of Bolen’s very first accusations against Robert Barratz, MD was wrong.  It makes me wonder if any of what Bolen says is true. I can see through what Bolen, a professional public relations person is trying to do.  He’s trying to sling a lot of mud and hope it sticks.  Some of it will in the eyes of many, and he will have made his opponents look bad, though it will be unjustified as far as I know. Please don’t accept the accusations, innuendoes, insults, labels, and misstatements of fact that Bolen dishes out so heavily and regularly, as accurate.  Please don’t take my word for it, but draw your own informed is, if a lie is repeated over and over again, it seems to become accepted factual.  Remember that Bolen is employed by Hulda Clark in a public relations capacity.  He has also threatened me with legal action, but I refuse to keep quiet, and I suspect he wouldn’t want the negative publicity he would get by taking a little guy like me to court. Bill Ross — Posted from mailcore4.oh.voyager.net [207.90.100.18] via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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> I checked out Robert S Baratz at the Boston University website that Bill Ross > and Peter gave and it came back with nothing. I don’t doubt that it was there > when thry gave this a few weeks ago, but isn’t there now. Could it be that they > have taken it down? > Jan

I looked up Boston University again on the Dogpile search service, and found the search page for them at: http://www.bu.edu/search/ I put in the name:  Robert Baratz It came back with information about him.  It also gives a main phone number for the University, so one can call this number to further verify the inaccuracy of Tim Bolen when it comes to Robert Baratz. Bill — Posted from mailcore1.oh.voyager.net [207.0.229.19] via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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> He has also threatened me with legal action, but I >refuse to keep quiet, and I suspect he wouldn’t want the negative publicity >he would get by taking a little guy like me to court. >Bill Ross

Guess he is smarter than Barrett, who is taking little guy Ilena to BL

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I checked out Robert S Baratz at the Boston University website that Bill >Ross > and Peter gave and it came back with nothing. I don’t doubt that it was >there > when thry gave this a few weeks ago, but isn’t there now. Could it be that >they > have taken it down? > Jan >I looked up Boston University again on the Dogpile search service, and found >the >search page for them at: >http://www.bu.edu/search/ >I put in the name:  Robert Baratz >It came back with information about him.  It also gives a main phone number >for the >University, so one can call this number to further verify the inaccuracy of >Tim >Bolen when it comes to Robert Baratz. >Bill

Yes, I got this today, however yesterday I went back to your old post and clicked on the website and got to Boston Un. but nothing reported for Robert S Baratz. I don’t think it was through dogpile. However is he still employed there? Or are these just past work he has done? Like I say I didn’t question it was there when you posted it, but it was not there yesterday through the website you posted before. I tried it all day, still nothing. Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Posted from mailcore1.oh.voyager.net [207.0.229.19] >via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hulda Clark’s publicist, Tim Bolen, has issued another one of his >"opinions."  I received it a few days ago at my email account.  He considers >me one of Barrett’s minions, quackpots, crazies, nazis or however he chooses >to label the opposition. >It was shown here a few weeks ago, that one of Bolen’s very first >accusations against Robert Barratz, MD was wrong.  It makes me wonder if any >of what Bolen says is true. >I can see through what Bolen, a professional public relations person is >trying to do.  He’s trying to sling a lot of mud and hope it sticks.  Some >of it will in the eyes of many, and he will have made his opponents look >bad, though it will be unjustified as far as I know. >Please don’t accept the accusations, innuendoes, insults, labels, and >misstatements of fact that Bolen dishes out so heavily and regularly, as >accurate.  Please don’t take my word for it, but draw your own informed >is, if a lie is repeated over and over again, it seems to become accepted >factual.

Nope don’t think so. By whom?? If this is your opinion., it is wrong.  Remember that Bolen is employed by Hulda Clark in a public >relations capacity.  He has also threatened me with legal action, but I >refuse to keep quiet, and I suspect he wouldn’t want the negative publicity >he would get by taking a little guy like me to court. >Bill Ross

blah blah blah Bill. You showed up at openhouse AFTER you had said *I just That just might have a little something to do with the rub between you and Tim. IOW you are both at fault. Jan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Posted from mailcore4.oh.voyager.net [207.90.100.18] >via Mailgate.ORG Server – http://www.Mailgate.ORG

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> is, if a lie is repeated over and over again, it seems to become accepted > factual.

I don’t know about Tim Bolen, but the "Big Lie" (a propaganda technique) is exactly what the AIDS Establishment Orthodoxy has been doing for years now. For some good reading, see TC Fry’s "The Great AIDS Hoax." Habib

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Florida Judge orders GRILLING of Quackbuster PERJURER(?)… Opinion by Tim Bolen Prosecutors in the Florida Dental Board vs. Phillips case must of thought they’d struck a death blow to the Phillips’ defense strategy when they brought in an "expert witness" named Robert S. Baratz MD DDS PhD as a "surprise rebuttal witness" against Phillips’s superb defense witnesses.  Baratz sounded great answering prosecutor questions. Phillips’s defense witnesses had been a literal "who’s who" in North American leading edge health care.  Baratz was there to counter them. It worked exactly the opposite. At first appearance Baratz had "perfect" qualifications to counter defense claims.  In his resume he claimed to be currently employed as an "Assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine at Boston University School of Medicine, on staff at three Boston area hospitals, a consultant to two major television networks, a consultant to nine different state dental boards, a spokesperson for the American Dental Association, and a consultant for the FDA Office of Criminal Investigations." Impressive qualifications – except NONE OF IT is true.  It looks as though Baratz is, in fact, UNEMPLOYED, and has been for about a year-and-a-half, ever since his former health employment was terminated, after he was involved in a physical altercation, over which there is now a court action. The details of the Baratz employment termination are not yet fully revealed (we haven’t seen all of the court papers yet), but Baratz has apparently been UNABLE to get another job since then. His sole source of income seems to be in "testifying" in court cases.  Baratz’s primary emphasis, when he first arrived in the Florida courtroom, was to demand to know when he was "going to get paid." It was obvious that Baratz had a "practiced testimony" in answering prosecutor questions.  In fact, he kept guiding the questions with remarks like "you should ask me about…"  It was the defense "cross examination" that undid Baratz.  After only a few minutes of questions Baratz emotionally refused to answer defense queries. Baratz, the day before, in court, had literally run into the courtroom, disturbed the proceeding with a shriek "My life is in danger, I need police protection."  He wanted the courtroom, and the courthouse, cleared of Phillips’ supporters while he testified.  The judge refused. The next day, when the actual deposition was to take place in the courtroom, Baratz arrived surrounded by a cordon of police, who then questioned amused Phillips supporters.  Baratz had complained to police in an attempt to circumvent the orders of the judge.  It didn’t work – Phillips supporters watched the whole "humiliation of Bobbie Baratz" play out. QUACKBUSTER DESPERATION STRATEGIES… Aging quackbuster propagandist de-licensed MD Stephen Barrett, who operates the dubious website www.quackwatch.com out of his basement in Allentown, Pennsylvania DELUDES HIMSELF into believing he sways the health industry towards a direction he wants them to go.  Crackpots seldom recognize their own delusions. Propagandist Barrett is having trouble maintaining a following in the new millenium.  His minions are sparse, and any comparison within their ranks to "normal human behavior" is even sparser. Barrett’s minions (and there aren’t that many, anymore) are said to be broken into three groups: "the crazies, the obsessed, and the stupid."  It is hard to place Robert Baratz in one of these classifications – for in some ways his actions say he fits all three… How do you define someone who FABRICATES A LIFE IN ORDER TO TESTIFY in a court of law, like Baratz did for the Phillips case? Is he crazy, obsessed, stupid, all three, or none of the above? What is Baratz? To me the answer is simple.  I believe that Baratz is a "typical quackbuster."  I believe that Baratz’s falsifications are simply a quackbuster operating technique.  The lesson learned here is that one must expect that EVERY quackbuster lies.  It’s their job. But Baratz now has a VERY BIG PROBLEM.  The Florida Judge has ordered Baratz back into cross examination –  to answer questions about his false claims.  Phillips’ attorney will ask those questions.  The deposition will be OFFICIALLY recorded.  The "resumed" deposition has been ordered for Friday, April 6th, 2001. I’m told that PERJURY is a criminal act. Stay tuned… Tim Bolen JuriMed – Public Relations and Research Group —      I am shifting the focus of _Blazing Tattles_ to creating the future of the planet.  The environmental movement and health activists make one victory and have five setbacks.  The global ecosystem continues to degenerate and degenerative diseases affect more and more people at earlier ages.      I’m gonna see what I can do about that!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Florida Judge orders GRILLING of Quackbuster PERJURER(?)… >Opinion by Tim Bolen >Prosecutors in the Florida Dental Board vs. Phillips case must of >thought they’d struck a death blow to the Phillips’ defense >strategy when they brought in an "expert witness" named Robert S. >Baratz MD DDS PhD as a "surprise rebuttal witness" against >Phillips’s superb defense witnesses.  Baratz sounded great >answering prosecutor questions. >Phillips’s defense witnesses had been a literal "who’s who" in >North American leading edge health care.  Baratz was there to >counter them. >It worked exactly the opposite. >At first appearance Baratz had "perfect" qualifications to >counter defense claims.  In his resume he claimed to be currently >employed as an "Assistant Clinical Professor of Medicine at >Boston University School of Medicine, on staff at three Boston >area hospitals, a consultant to two major television networks, a >consultant to nine different state dental boards, a spokesperson >for the American Dental Association, and a consultant for the FDA >Office of Criminal Investigations." >Impressive qualifications – except NONE OF IT is true.  It looks >as though Baratz is, in fact, UNEMPLOYED, and has been for about >a year-and-a-half, ever since his former health employment was >terminated, after he was involved in a physical altercation, over >which there is now a court action. >The details of the Baratz employment termination are not yet >fully revealed (we haven’t seen all of the court papers yet), but >Baratz has apparently been UNABLE to get another job since then. >His sole source of income seems to be in "testifying" in court >cases.  Baratz’s primary emphasis, when he first arrived in the >Florida courtroom, was to demand to know when he was "going to >get paid." >It was obvious that Baratz had a "practiced testimony" in >answering prosecutor questions.  In fact, he kept guiding the >questions with remarks like "you should ask me about…"  It was >the defense "cross examination" that undid Baratz.  After only a >few minutes of questions Baratz emotionally refused to answer >defense queries. >Baratz, the day before, in court, had literally run into the >courtroom, disturbed the proceeding with a shriek "My life is in >danger, I need police protection."  He wanted the courtroom, and >the courthouse, cleared of Phillips’ supporters while he >testified.  The judge refused. >The next day, when the actual deposition was to take place in the >courtroom, Baratz arrived surrounded by a cordon of police, who >then questioned amused Phillips supporters.  Baratz had >complained to police in an attempt to circumvent the orders of >the judge.  It didn’t work – Phillips supporters watched the >whole "humiliation of Bobbie Baratz" play out. >QUACKBUSTER DESPERATION STRATEGIES… >Aging quackbuster propagandist de-licensed MD Stephen Barrett, >who operates the dubious website www.quackwatch.com out of his >basement in Allentown, Pennsylvania DELUDES HIMSELF into >believing he sways the health industry towards a direction he >wants them to go.  Crackpots seldom recognize their own >delusions. >Propagandist Barrett is having trouble maintaining a following in >the new millenium.  His minions are sparse, and any comparison >within their ranks to "normal human behavior" is even sparser. >Barrett’s minions (and there aren’t that many, anymore) are said >to be broken into three groups: "the crazies, the obsessed, and >the stupid."  It is hard to place Robert Baratz in one of these >classifications – for in some ways his actions say he fits all >three… >How do you define someone who FABRICATES A LIFE IN ORDER TO >TESTIFY in a court of law, like Baratz did for the Phillips case? >Is he crazy, obsessed, stupid, all three, or none of the above? >What is Baratz? >To me the answer is simple.  I believe that Baratz is a "typical >quackbuster."  I believe that Baratz’s falsifications are simply >a quackbuster operating technique.  The lesson learned here is >that one must expect that EVERY quackbuster lies.  It’s their >job. >But Baratz now has a VERY BIG PROBLEM.  The Florida Judge has >ordered Baratz back into cross examination –  to answer questions >about his false claims.  Phillips’ attorney will ask those >questions.  The deposition will be OFFICIALLY recorded.  The >"resumed" deposition has been ordered for Friday, April 6th, >2001. >I’m told that PERJURY is a criminal act. >Stay tuned… >Tim Bolen >JuriMed – Public Relations and Research Group >– >     I am shifting the focus of _Blazing Tattles_ to creating the >future of the planet.  The environmental movement and health >activists make one victory and have five setbacks.  The global >ecosystem continues to degenerate and degenerative diseases >affect more and more people at earlier ages. >     I’m gonna see what I can do about that!

I checked out Robert S Baratz at the Boston University website that Bill Ross and Peter gave and it came back with nothing. I don’t doubt that it was there when thry gave this a few weeks ago, but isn’t there now. Could it be that they have taken it down? Jan

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