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NETHERLANDS: Rare Sexually Transmitted Disease On Rise in Netherlands Associated Press (11.05.04) – Monday, November 08, 2004 On Friday in Amsterdam, the Netherlands’ National Institute for Public Health said that an outbreak of a rate STD among gay and bisexual men might also facilitate the transmission of HIV. Approximately 80 percent of the 92 people infected with lymphogranuloma venereum (LGV) in the Netherlands were also infected with HIV, said Marita van de Laar, an institute spokesperson. The disease causes ulcers in the rectum. While it can treated with antibiotics, scientists believe the associated bleeding may make HIV transmission easier, said van de Laar. LGV is normally found in tropical climates, with only one to three cases reported each year in the Netherlands. Five LGV cases have been reported in Belgium, and 85 cases have been reported in France since the beginning of 2004, said van de Laar. Other countries were alerted to the disease. In the United States, CDC recently issued a warning after a single case was reported. Van de Laar, who is researching the outbreaks, said she was unsure of what caused the recent LGV rise.
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>NETHERLANDS: Rare Sexually Transmitted Disease On Rise in Netherlands >The disease causes ulcers in the rectum. While it can treated with >antibiotics, scientists believe the associated bleeding may make HIV >transmission easier, said van de Laar.
GAY? Diseases in the rectum!?! Think those pole smokers can figure out what to do in the future to keep that from happening?
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Imagine that ya walk around with crap on your dick, yer bound to pick up something. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->NETHERLANDS: Rare Sexually Transmitted Disease On Rise in Netherlands >The disease causes ulcers in the rectum. While it can treated with >antibiotics, scientists believe the associated bleeding may make HIV >transmission easier, said van de Laar. > GAY? Diseases in the rectum!?! Think those pole smokers can figure > out what to do in the future to keep that from happening?
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> Imagine that ya walk around with crap on your dick, yer bound to pick up > something.
Yep, and it’s called KENG.
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NETHERLANDS: Rare Sexually Transmitted Disease On Rise in Netherlands Associated Press (11.05.04) – Monday, November 08, 2004 On Friday in Amsterdam, the Netherlands’ National Institute for Public Health said that an outbreak of a rate STD among gay and bisexual men might also facilitate the transmission of HIV. Approximately 80 percent of the 92 people infected with lymphogranuloma venereum (LGV) in the Netherlands were also infected with HIV, said Marita van de Laar, an institute spokesperson. The disease causes ulcers in the rectum. While it can treated with antibiotics, scientists believe the associated bleeding may make HIV transmission easier, said van de Laar. LGV is normally found in tropical climates, with only one to three cases reported each year in the Netherlands. Five LGV cases have been reported in Belgium, and 85 cases have been reported in France since the beginning of 2004, said van de Laar. Other countries were alerted to the disease. In the United States, CDC recently issued a warning after a single case was reported. Van de Laar, who is researching the outbreaks, said she was unsure of what caused the recent LGV rise.
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> The disease causes ulcers in the rectum.
Those could be the result of other revolting activities.
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>Those could be the result of other revolting activities.
Like watching heteros do it doggy fashion. Or an endless line of kneeling Southern Baptist housewives, eagerly awaiting their chance to give Dictator Dubya a soul-rocking blowjob. — "When in Rome…vandalize" - Big Gay Brother [ gay-bible.org ]
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> NETHERLANDS: Rare Sexually Transmitted Disease On Rise in Netherlands > Associated Press (11.05.04) – Monday, November 08, 2004 > On Friday in Amsterdam, the Netherlands’ National Institute for Public > Health said that an outbreak of a rate STD among gay and bisexual men > might also facilitate the transmission of HIV. Approximately 80 > percent of the 92 people infected with lymphogranuloma venereum (LGV) > in the Netherlands were also infected with HIV, said Marita van de > Laar, an institute spokesperson. > The disease causes ulcers in the rectum. While it can treated with > antibiotics, scientists believe the associated bleeding may make HIV > transmission easier, said van de Laar. > LGV is normally found in tropical climates, with only one to three > cases reported each year in the Netherlands. Five LGV cases have been > reported in Belgium, and 85 cases have been reported in France since > the beginning of 2004, said van de Laar. Other countries were alerted > to the disease. In the United States, CDC recently issued a warning > after a single case was reported. Van de Laar, who is researching the > outbreaks, said she was unsure of what caused the recent LGV rise.
How do they go to the bathroom with those painful ulcers in their ass?!?!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> July 03, 2004 > Report: The ‘real’ costs of the Iraq war > By Hannah K. Strange > UPI Correspondent > Washington, DC, Jul. 1 (UPI) — The average U.S. household has already > spent almost $1600 on the war in Iraq, according to a report presented > in Washington Wednesday. The final bill will be an estimated $3,415, > based on the U.S. military’s prediction of a three-year military > occupation, says the report, citing calculations by economist Doug > Henwood. > "We don’t hear about how the costs have affected us where we live," > says Karen Dolan, one of the authors of the study. This report, she > says, aims to "help the public stay as informed as they can be about > the real costs of this war." > The study, a joint project of the Institute for Policy Studies and > Foreign Policy in Focus, both non-partisan Washington-based > think-tanks,
-stuff snipped- I don’t remember, when I worked in Washington, whether any "think tank" was non-partison. They all get support from some partisan source. One may read (from their websites) about what papers they have written, and who has written them, and come to one’s own honest opinion as to what they are.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> July 03, 2004 > Report: The ‘real’ costs of the Iraq war > By Hannah K. Strange > UPI Correspondent > Washington, DC, Jul. 1 (UPI) — The average U.S. household has already > spent almost $1600 on the war in Iraq, according to a report presented > in Washington Wednesday. The final bill will be an estimated $3,415, > based on the U.S. military’s prediction of a three-year military > occupation, says the report, citing calculations by economist Doug > Henwood. > "We don’t hear about how the costs have affected us where we live," > says Karen Dolan, one of the authors of the study. This report, she > says, aims to "help the public stay as informed as they can be about > the real costs of this war." > The study, a joint project of the Institute for Policy Studies and > Foreign Policy in Focus, both non-partisan Washington-based > think-tanks, was presented Wednesday in a live radio broadcast at the > Institute. It is, according to John Cavanagh, director of IPS, "the > first comprehensive accounting of the cost of the war on the U.S., on > Iraq, and on the world." > An additional emergency supplement of $25 billion dollars was > appropriated by the administration in June, bringing the total bill to > date to $151 billion. Congress has also promised another supplemental > appropriation after the election. This figure, Cavanagh notes, stands > square in the $100-200 billion projection that White House economic > advisor Lawrence Lindsay was fired for giving as the likely cost of > the Iraq War in 2002. > In the run-up to the Iraq war, administration officials gave the > impression, co-author Phyllis Bennys points out, that the cost of > reconstruction would be largely covered by Iraqi oil revenues. > Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told a Senate hearing last March > : "When it comes to reconstruction, before we turn to the American > taxpayer, we will turn first to the resources of the Iraqi government > and the international community." > "There’s a lot of money to pay for this that doesn’t have to be U.S. > taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people," > said Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz at a House of > Representatives appropriations hearing the same day. > However it later emerged that behind the scenes experts had warned > officials that the Iraqi oil industry was badly dilapidated and would > in no way cover reconstruction costs. James Schlesinger, former > secretary of defense and energy who co-chaired an independent > task-force set up by the Council of Foreign Relations, a prestigious > independent think-tank, and who briefed administration officials, told > the Financial Times last year that "nobody" believed oil revenues > would support reconstruction costs. He said his advice, and that of > the CFR report, forecasted that oil would produce at most $10-12 > billion annually, if captured intact and with no further > deterioration. > White House spokesman Trent Duffy, speaking to U.P.I., dismissed the > notion that the public had been initially misled over the likely cost > of the war, saying that it was "naivety that you could put a cost > estimate on a war prior to it happening." > The current financial cost to the American taxpayer, according to the > IPS report, now rivals that of the Vietnam War on a monthly basis. > Operations in Iraq are estimated at 4-5 billion a month whilst the > average monthly figure during Vietnam was $5.1 billion, adjusting for > inflation. This has had tremendous social and economic effects within > the United States, say the authors. > The administration’s budget request for 2005 proposes "deep cuts in > critical domestic programs," the report details, "(and) virtually > freezes funding for domestic discretionary programs other than > homeland security." The White House is seeking the elimination of > programs including grants for firefighters’ assistance, low-income > schools, family literacy, rural housing and economic development. As > written, the proposal would keep such cuts in place until 2009. > A White House memo, leaked in May to the Washington Post, outlined > further cuts in 2006, including funding for education, Head Start, > home ownership, job training, medical research and homeland security. > "The Bush vow to ‘leave no child left behind’" the report adds, > "remains underfunded by at least $14.1 billion, with the new budget > threatening to reduce funding by an additional $9.4 billion." > Duffy contends however that cuts have only been made to programs that > were established in the 1990s and are now defunct. > The report also details how the heavy deployment of National Guard > troops in Iraq has created a security vacuum at home, as so many serve > as first-responders. The study cites a poll by the Police Executive > Research Forum, which found that 44 percent of the nation’s police > forces have lost personnel through deployment to Iraq. Last year a > survey by the International Association of Fire Chiefs predicted that > 75,000 firefighters would be lost through deployment in the first few > months of the war alone. > Homeland security funding has not lived up to promises either, says > Dolan. A June study by the U.S. Conference of Mayors found that only > 24 percent of the 231 major cities surveyed had received any of the > first responder/critical infrastructure funding pledged by the > Department of Homeland Security, while another 24 percent had been > notified of the funds’ impending arrival. > To put the figures into context, Dolan offers a summary of what could > have been purchased with the Iraq appropriations so far. Purchases > could have included, she says, 678,000 new fire trucks, health care > coverage for 82 million children, or for 27 million adults, almost 23 > million housing vouchers or over 20 million Head Start slots for > children. On a global level, the war budget could supply all > impoverished people worldwide with sufficient food, childhood > immunization, HIV/AIDS medicine and clean water and sanitation for two > years, according to U.N. and World Water Council estimates. > "The administration’s budget priorities," the report concludes, "have > privileged a war of choice over human needs at home." > Neither is the future looking bright, says Dolan. She cites economist > James Galbraith, former executive director of the Joint Economic > Committee in the U.S. Congress, who predicted in the Los Angeles Times > that, long term, the Iraq war will be "a dagger at the heart of (the) > U.S. economy." Without the requisite tax increases to pay for it, he > said, the war, underestimated in terms of costs, losses and > challenges, is likely to worsen national debt and inflation, possibly > triggering worldwide commodity shocks. This is likely to lead, he > said, to "international monetary disorder and a decade of economic > troubles." > "One can only imagine," she says, "five to 10 years down the road if > we continue in this vein." > However Duffy says that such costs could not be viewed in a vacuum. > "We could not afford to pursue the war on terror on all fronts, in > terms of security and economically. Had we pursued a different route, > the economic costs could have been much greater." > He denies that the Iraq war is having a significant harmful effect on > the U.S. economy. > "The war that the terrorists declared on 9/11 certainly had a > detrimental effect on the economy. The Iraq proportion is only a > portion…in terms of the share of the U.S. economy, it’s been > relatively modest given the impact 9/11 had."
I wish they would give us a breakdown of all the other wonderfule things they do for us on a per capita basis. We might find that we don’t really want a lot of them. — I used to be an astronaught. Now I’m just a naught. Sgt Tim Bucktoo
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July 03, 2004 Report: The ‘real’ costs of the Iraq war By Hannah K. Strange UPI Correspondent Washington, DC, Jul. 1 (UPI) — The average U.S. household has already spent almost $1600 on the war in Iraq, according to a report presented in Washington Wednesday. The final bill will be an estimated $3,415, based on the U.S. military’s prediction of a three-year military occupation, says the report, citing calculations by economist Doug Henwood. "We don’t hear about how the costs have affected us where we live," says Karen Dolan, one of the authors of the study. This report, she says, aims to "help the public stay as informed as they can be about the real costs of this war." The study, a joint project of the Institute for Policy Studies and Foreign Policy in Focus, both non-partisan Washington-based think-tanks, was presented Wednesday in a live radio broadcast at the Institute. It is, according to John Cavanagh, director of IPS, "the first comprehensive accounting of the cost of the war on the U.S., on Iraq, and on the world." An additional emergency supplement of $25 billion dollars was appropriated by the administration in June, bringing the total bill to date to $151 billion. Congress has also promised another supplemental appropriation after the election. This figure, Cavanagh notes, stands square in the $100-200 billion projection that White House economic advisor Lawrence Lindsay was fired for giving as the likely cost of the Iraq War in 2002. In the run-up to the Iraq war, administration officials gave the impression, co-author Phyllis Bennys points out, that the cost of reconstruction would be largely covered by Iraqi oil revenues. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told a Senate hearing last March : "When it comes to reconstruction, before we turn to the American taxpayer, we will turn first to the resources of the Iraqi government and the international community." "There’s a lot of money to pay for this that doesn’t have to be U.S. taxpayer money, and it starts with the assets of the Iraqi people," said Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz at a House of Representatives appropriations hearing the same day. However it later emerged that behind the scenes experts had warned officials that the Iraqi oil industry was badly dilapidated and would in no way cover reconstruction costs. James Schlesinger, former secretary of defense and energy who co-chaired an independent task-force set up by the Council of Foreign Relations, a prestigious independent think-tank, and who briefed administration officials, told the Financial Times last year that "nobody" believed oil revenues would support reconstruction costs. He said his advice, and that of the CFR report, forecasted that oil would produce at most $10-12 billion annually, if captured intact and with no further deterioration. White House spokesman Trent Duffy, speaking to U.P.I., dismissed the notion that the public had been initially misled over the likely cost of the war, saying that it was "naivety that you could put a cost estimate on a war prior to it happening." The current financial cost to the American taxpayer, according to the IPS report, now rivals that of the Vietnam War on a monthly basis. Operations in Iraq are estimated at 4-5 billion a month whilst the average monthly figure during Vietnam was $5.1 billion, adjusting for inflation. This has had tremendous social and economic effects within the United States, say the authors. The administration’s budget request for 2005 proposes "deep cuts in critical domestic programs," the report details, "(and) virtually freezes funding for domestic discretionary programs other than homeland security." The White House is seeking the elimination of programs including grants for firefighters’ assistance, low-income schools, family literacy, rural housing and economic development. As written, the proposal would keep such cuts in place until 2009. A White House memo, leaked in May to the Washington Post, outlined further cuts in 2006, including funding for education, Head Start, home ownership, job training, medical research and homeland security. "The Bush vow to ‘leave no child left behind’" the report adds, "remains underfunded by at least $14.1 billion, with the new budget threatening to reduce funding by an additional $9.4 billion." Duffy contends however that cuts have only been made to programs that were established in the 1990s and are now defunct. The report also details how the heavy deployment of National Guard troops in Iraq has created a security vacuum at home, as so many serve as first-responders. The study cites a poll by the Police Executive Research Forum, which found that 44 percent of the nation’s police forces have lost personnel through deployment to Iraq. Last year a survey by the International Association of Fire Chiefs predicted that 75,000 firefighters would be lost through deployment in the first few months of the war alone. Homeland security funding has not lived up to promises either, says Dolan. A June study by the U.S. Conference of Mayors found that only 24 percent of the 231 major cities surveyed had received any of the first responder/critical infrastructure funding pledged by the Department of Homeland Security, while another 24 percent had been notified of the funds’ impending arrival. To put the figures into context, Dolan offers a summary of what could have been purchased with the Iraq appropriations so far. Purchases could have included, she says, 678,000 new fire trucks, health care coverage for 82 million children, or for 27 million adults, almost 23 million housing vouchers or over 20 million Head Start slots for children. On a global level, the war budget could supply all impoverished people worldwide with sufficient food, childhood immunization, HIV/AIDS medicine and clean water and sanitation for two years, according to U.N. and World Water Council estimates. "The administration’s budget priorities," the report concludes, "have privileged a war of choice over human needs at home." Neither is the future looking bright, says Dolan. She cites economist James Galbraith, former executive director of the Joint Economic Committee in the U.S. Congress, who predicted in the Los Angeles Times that, long term, the Iraq war will be "a dagger at the heart of (the) U.S. economy." Without the requisite tax increases to pay for it, he said, the war, underestimated in terms of costs, losses and challenges, is likely to worsen national debt and inflation, possibly triggering worldwide commodity shocks. This is likely to lead, he said, to "international monetary disorder and a decade of economic troubles." "One can only imagine," she says, "five to 10 years down the road if we continue in this vein." However Duffy says that such costs could not be viewed in a vacuum. "We could not afford to pursue the war on terror on all fronts, in terms of security and economically. Had we pursued a different route, the economic costs could have been much greater." He denies that the Iraq war is having a significant harmful effect on the U.S. economy. "The war that the terrorists declared on 9/11 certainly had a detrimental effect on the economy. The Iraq proportion is only a portion…in terms of the share of the U.S. economy, it’s been relatively modest given the impact 9/11 had."
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Any tan is harm to the skin actually. I don’t have a problem with nudity or being nude. I simply look to the weather and the laws. Apart from Who really cares? I still wonder though why it is okay to make money off of a woman’s stripping but if someone walks naked down the street…she is seen as a criminal. I do enjoy nudists attitudes towards body acceptance though. Bren — "Knowledge without wisdom is like stacking books on the back of an ass" Old Japanese saying. Come visit my webpage at http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt211
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Reasons for nudism: 1) Get an even tan. 2) The nude experience – you should be naked, yet forget your nudity. [note: it is quite possible to be "naked," and yet not really be naked, to see it as no different than wearing clothes, for instance I am at the moment wearing shorts and a t-shirt, and I do not think of my arms, legs, or head as "naked." I think the essence of the nude experience may be to be actually "naked" yet forget your nakedness and become unaware of this. I'm not sure if this really makes sense, although while I am certain that few people equate being naked with being clothed, I thought I'd bring that point up in any case and add that at the few nude beaches I've been to, the people were all far too aware of their nudity thus negating "the nude experience," so at that rate it might be better to see being "naked" just as we see being "clothed," though it is better to see being naked as being naked, and yet forget you're naked.] 3) Sex. 4) Maybe people just like being naked better. Nudity is probably a good idea. The ancient Greeks frequently went naked. The Germans frequently go naked. The Germans have whole parks in which 1,000s of people have gone naked. The Free Body Culture was started in Germany and should be expanding today. We should create a healthier, more natural approach to nudity and sex in general and repeal all public nudity laws today. It’s the wave of the future. Okay so, you want to say that nudity is liberating, and it is, but it trouble with sex are the risks of unwanted babies, and diseases. Adolescents are old enough for sex by age 14 in my opinion and should, if they want to, begin having sex with other adolescents of the same age. Starting in high school, 9th grade, all students should be offered condoms and birth control pills, and we should get as many 14 year old girls on the pill as possible. Students should also be educated on the alternative of oral sex. Sex is a positive part of life and everyone should be having it. It is unrealistic to expect people to go without sex for 4 or 10 or 20 years, or their whole lives. People are already sexual from ages 14-18! And certainly from ages 18-22! However it is certainly realistic to educate everyone on the dangers of disease and unwanted babies, and to expect them to use birth control, noting that the younger they are the greater the negative risk is of an unwanted baby. Pregnancy effects more than just your own life, can have a negative affect on someone else’s life and is thus the greatest part of what may make many conclude that sex be "immoral." The younger you are, the more necessary it is to use 2 forms of birth control, such as the pill and condoms at the same time. Students in high school should be encouraged to use two forms of birth control, and to get checked for STD’s and pregnancies often, thus they can avoid the diseases, stop them from being passed on to others, and avoid a late term abortion by having an early abortion if they are a pregnant. Only three STDs are uncurable* (Herpes, Warts, & HIV), don’t pass those diseases onto other people! [That would be immoral too - though if you didn't know you had it, then just the risk the person took who slept with you - and get tested to minimize this risk!]. Other diseases such as Syphilis can cause irreparable damage if left untreated, so take care of yourself and get tested!Even if you have no symptoms, Gonorrhea & Chlamydia can lead to Pelvic Inflamatory Disease (PID) in women and cause infertility, see http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/8799/8799/29362/197425.html?d=dm… so get tested even if you have no symptoms and Gonorrhea & Chlamydia can be cleared up just like the flu or something. If you wait too long, you could end up infertile. For more info on STD’s see http://www.ashastd.org/stdfaqs/index.html It is a happy fact to note, that transmission of HIV during vaginal intercourse is actually rather low (especially if you use condoms). The transmission risk of Herpes or Warts is much higher. We must cure all these diseases! *Hepatitis B may also be uncurable, which is why you should get vaccinated against it. Then you won’t be able to contract this disease. We need a moral/cultural change in this country in regards to nudity. And that actually shouldn’t be too hard to effect, given that people are sheep. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudism
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Our African ancestors went around nude. Did it do them any good? Lisa I believe that in Africa one’s skin is more adapted to the sun. More Melanin…as well as a culture were most people that still live a tribal life don’t generally go on big walk-abouts in the middle of the day when the sun is hottest..but later on in the day..or earlier when the rays are not as hot. Now my skin is not African…it came out of a western Northern European climate and adapted for such. I am redhaired and blue eyed..hence I contain far more vitamin D in my skin than darker peoples. This is to show that I was made for the North…where people wore clothing to protect from the elements and had darker, longer winters etc. Bren
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>> > Reasons for nudism: > Our African ancestors went around nude. Did it do them any good? > Lisa >No time and resources spent on making clothes. No fashion >decisions about what clothes to wear. No chafing. >On the other hand, no protection from the sun, from insect >bites, from scrapes, and so on. No reason to think it is >more "natural" for fully modern humans. No self-expression >through clothing.
But some "African"/indiginous peoples exhibit self-expression via mutilation, tatooing, and body-piercing – "modern" resonances indeed! – sl –
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> > Reasons for nudism: > Our African ancestors went around nude. Did it do them any good? > Lisa
No time and resources spent on making clothes. No fashion decisions about what clothes to wear. No chafing. On the other hand, no protection from the sun, from insect bites, from scrapes, and so on. No reason to think it is more "natural" for fully modern humans. No self-expression through clothing. Dreamsnake
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> Reasons for nudism:
Our African ancestors went around nude. Did it do them any good? Lisa
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Thanks for the post Wayne. Very enlightening. It makes me glad I use my suppliments under the advice of an MD who is a certified nutrition specialist. 
mgbio – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The Risks of Mixing Drugs and Herbs > Recent Studies Pinpoint Range of Negative Interactions; Total Cereal and > Antibiotics > By JANE SPENCER > Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL > June 22, 2004; Page D1 > A wave of recent studies is sparking concern about the dangers of taking > herbal supplements — including St. John’s Wort, echinacea and ginkgo biloba > — in combination with mainstream prescription drugs. > For years, doctors have recognized that many herbal remedies have powerful > pharmacological effects, and patients have been given vague warnings to > "consult your physician" before taking supplements. But until recently there > have been little reliable data available for doctors and patients about how > specific herbal products interact with medications. > Herbal remedies and dietary supplements can have a range of negative effects > on treatment outcomes, interfering with everything from birth-control pills > to antibiotics to heart medications. One study presented earlier this year > found that St. John’s Wort compromises the cancer drug Gleevec, potentially > increasing patients’ risk for a cancer relapse. > Ginkgo biloba may lead to spontaneous bleeding if it is combined with > blood-thinning drugs. Even some fortified foods like calcium-enriched orange > juice can interfere with antibiotics, according to a study published last > year in the Journal of Clinical Pharmacology. > While much of the research is still emerging, drug companies including Bayer > AG, Pfizer Inc. and Bristol-Meyers Squibb Co. have begun to revamp some drug > labels to add new cautions about supplements. The Food and Drug > Administration is encouraging drug companies to list herbal interactions > when there is reliable data. > St. John’s Wort, which is used for depression, is one of the riskiest herbs > to mix with drugs. It appears to speed up the pace at which the body > metabolizes drugs, diluting their effects. Past studies have shown the herb > can weaken the impact of birth-control pills, protease inhibitors used to > treat HIV, and the immunosuppressants that keep transplant patients from > rejecting a new organ. The study on the herb’s effect on the cancer drug > Gleevec was presented at the annual meeting of the American Society for > Clinical Pharmacology and Therapeutics. > Ginkgo, which is often taken to improve memory, may intensify the > anti-clotting effects of blood-thinning drugs like Warfarin, according to > researchers at the University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences College of > Pharmacy. Blood thinners are commonly taken by heart patients to prevent > blood clots. Case reports suggest that some strains of garlic, used to lower > cholesterol, and ginseng, taken to boost energy, may have a similar effect > on blood-thinning medications. > The expanding market for fortified food products — often dubbed > nutraceuticals — is also leading to problematic interactions. Such products > can have particularly high concentrations of minerals that may affect drugs. > In addition to calcium-enriched orange juice, breakfast cereals with added > minerals, such as Total, can interfere with antibiotics, according to a > study last year in the Journal of Clinical Pharmacology. The mineral ions > bind with antibiotics, preventing the drugs from being absorbed. > Dozens of new studies are under way with funding from the Food and Drug > Administration and the National Institutes of Health. One FDA-funded study > slated for publication in the coming months explores whether echinacea, a > herb commonly taken for colds, interferes with birth-control pills. > Much of the research into herb-drug interactions is still preliminary. Data > often come to light through individual case reports, which are > less-informative than clinical studies. And a lack of standardization in > supplement labeling means that ingredients and dosages can vary greatly, > making herbs difficult to study. > The growing interest in herb-drug interactions comes as more Americans are > popping herbal medications. Sales of dietary supplements hit an estimated > $20.1 billion last year, a 7% increase over the previous year, according to > Nutrition Business Journal. In addition, 16% of Americans say they use both > herbal products and conventional drugs simultaneously, according to research > published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 2002. > The calcium in fortified orange juice can interfere with antibiotics like > tetracycline and Cipro, while the herb St. John’s Wort, used for depression, > can make birth-control pills and rings less effective. > "Americans have this mythology that if it’s natural, it’s safe," says Brent > A. Bauer, director of the Complimentary and Integrative Medicine Program at > the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn. "But we barely know what one herb does > on its own — let alone what happens when you mix in four or five > prescription drugs." > Combating supplement-drug interactions poses a regulatory challenge. The FDA > has only limited authority over dietary supplements. Thus, the movement to > warn patients is centering largely on the drug makers. The agency recently > contacted a handful of companies that make birth-control products asking > them to consider warnings about potential interactions with St. John’s Wort. > A handful of drug companies now list herbal interactions on their labels. > Bayer, which makes the antibiotic Cipro, lists a caution about > calcium-fortified orange juice along with other calcium products on its > label. The label for Bristol-Meyers Squibb’s Coumadin, a blood-thinning > agent, now comes with a warning against taking it with ginseng or ginkgo > biloba. > Some herbal companies are voluntarily noting potential drug interactions on > their labels. Last spring, Pharmavite, a Northride, Calif., company that > makes Nature’s Resource brand supplements, teamed up with the American > Botanical Council, a group that promotes herbal remedies, to create new > product labels that include information on drug interactions. > As doctors and pharmacists scramble for reliable information, companies are > launching databases that allow practitioners to cross-check prescription > drugs with supplements. CVS Corp. pharmacies use a program run by First > DataBank that allows pharmacists to input herbal supplements and pull up a > list of interactions. Lexi-Corp Inc., sells herbal-interaction software that > runs on Palm and Pocket PC hand-held computers. NaturalStandard.com offers > an online-subscription database that providers can use to look up herbal > interactions. Consumers can find information at free sites like > MayoClinic.com, or herbalgrams.com. > The consequences of mixing medications can be grave. In a case report > published in the American Journal of Transplantation earlier this year, > doctors hypothesized that a herb-drug interaction caused Alexis Southworth, > 60-years-old of Glen Burnie, Md., to lose a transplanted kidney she’d had > for 16 years. Soon after starting to take alfalfa for hot flashes and night > sweats, in addition to her immunosuppressant drugs, she began to reject the > kidney. She is now on dialysis and awaiting a new transplant. > The Risk of Mixing > Research is shedding new light on how many dietary supplements interact with > prescription drugs. > {table} SUPPLEMENT/INDICATION > POTENTIAL DRUG INTERACTIONS > COMMENT > St. John’s Wort/Depression > Weakens the effectiveness of many drugs
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>Mandela chides US, Britain over Iraq war
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HIV cases in UK jump nearly 20% The number of people infected with HIV in the UK is increasing rapidly, says a report. The Health Protection Agency says that, as at September 2002, there were 49,500 people in the UK living with HIV. This was up nearly 20% in a year – and a third of these people do not know their HIV status. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3233018.stm
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I have searched the news groups. Cannot find any that cover off road 4 wheeling. Any one here know of any? Warren
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rec.autos.4×4 ??
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have searched the news groups. Cannot find any that cover off road 4 > wheeling. Any one here know of any? Warren
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> rec.autos.4×4 ??
Thank you, that worked. Warren – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have searched the news groups. Cannot find any that cover off road 4 > wheeling. Any one here know of any? Warren
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Dan.. I will tell you where to find what you need if you give me a good e mail address.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Recently got a new sports car with a pretty low ground clearance, & I find > my venerable 20 year old Craftsman floor jack will not fit under the front > end to raise the front wheels via the engine xmember. Actually, it fits > UNDER, there just isn’t any clearance left to actually pump the handle, I > have to 1st pull the front wheels up on a couple 1" thick pieces of plywood. > So I’m looking for a low profile floor jack, one which is no higher than > about 5.50" from the floor at its highest point along it’s entire length > (not including when the lift cradle is raised, of course). Would like about > 20" of lift. > TIA > Dan
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> Dan.. I will tell you where to find what you need if you give me a good e > mail address.
what is it a secret, you can’t share it with the group? Punch
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Thanks for the replies on this, I’ve ordered an AC Hydraulics DK13HLQ high lift low profile jack from All Tire Service, you can see it here http://www.alltiresupply.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_… MHI-F9A1AK810C1&Product_Code=DK13HLQ&Category_Code=SJ_MQLSJ A bit expensive at $400, but very high quality (made in Denmark, it’s one of the few jacks left that doesn’t come from China) & just what I need. They also make a very nice somewhat shorter frame & higher profile jack (DK20Q) for $269.00. BTW an interesting jack comparison appears at http://www.vorshlag.com/tech_jacks4.html Thanks again Dan
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dan.. I will tell you where to find what you need if you give me a good e > mail address. > what is it a secret, you can’t share it with the group? > Punch > Harbor Freight has a aluminun "racing jack" drops to 3 1/2 inches. Warren
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Recently got a new sports car with a pretty low ground clearance, & I find my venerable 20 year old Craftsman floor jack will not fit under the front end to raise the front wheels via the engine xmember. Actually, it fits UNDER, there just isn’t any clearance left to actually pump the handle, I have to 1st pull the front wheels up on a couple 1" thick pieces of plywood. So I’m looking for a low profile floor jack, one which is no higher than about 5.50" from the floor at its highest point along it’s entire length (not including when the lift cradle is raised, of course). Would like about 20" of lift. TIA Dan
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> Now 3 1/2 weeks. The gurgling seems to have stopped (I’ve just > finished my 2nd course of antibiotics), and I’m hoping it doesn’t come > back like it did last time.
Excellent! Let’s hope it doesn’t! > Furthermore, I have to start *yet another* 3 day course of antibiotics > tomorrow for a root canal treatment (apparently the other antibiotic > didn’t stop an infection of the tooth root…).
Ugh. I hate antibiotics. They screw up my system. > Whatever, hopefully after next wednesday (root treatment day 
…) I > should be free of antibiotics and also of cigarettes…. > Will keep people updated.
You do that! We wanna know…grab yourself a meter from www.silkquit.org if you like, they are a fun tool for keeping an eye on your quit. Best to you Paula
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trying_hard: … >Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now.
… Very good news. Congratulations! Sorry that I can’t help you with your health question, but I agree (fwiw) with the replies advising you to seek a professional opinion. But, for all your quitting needs, please continue to use us…ask questions, rant your way through a tough crave, and show off how great you’re doing Good luck with everything. —– Maddie, 5 months
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > trying_hard: > … >Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now. > … > Very good news. Congratulations! > Sorry that I can’t help you with your health question, but I agree (fwiw) with > the replies advising you to seek a professional opinion. > But, for all your quitting needs, please continue to use us…ask questions, > rant your way through a tough crave, and show off how great you’re doing > Good luck with everything. > —– > Maddie, 5 months
Now 3 1/2 weeks. The gurgling seems to have stopped (I’ve just finished my 2nd course of antibiotics), and I’m hoping it doesn’t come back like it did last time. Furthermore, I have to start *yet another* 3 day course of antibiotics tomorrow for a root canal treatment (apparently the other antibiotic didn’t stop an infection of the tooth root…). Whatever, hopefully after next wednesday (root treatment day …) I should be free of antibiotics and also of cigarettes…. Will keep people updated.
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Congrats on having achieved 3 weeks! I think you should go see your doctor and get him to culture some sputum. You may be dealing with a pneumonia that is resistant to the particular antibiotic he gave you. He needs to culture it to ensure that the antibiotic you are taking will well-and-truly kill it off completely, otherwise it will keep rebounding–stronger and stronger. Take care — you want to be healthy! …pat. of — Pat and Ash http://www3.sympatico.ca/patash/
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Nice going on the 3 week quit, keep on going and get the dr. to check that lung, may be an infection of some kind. Paul D Eight months, three weeks, three days, 4 hours, 27 minutes and 57 seconds. 13359 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,469.29. Life saved: 6 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 15 minutes.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi- > I’ve been a heavy (1.5-2 pack/day) smoker for about 15 yrs. In the > last year I’ve had 3 pneumonias (including coughing up blood), and on > the third I thought, this is stupid. > Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now. I’ve been to the doctor > (and hospital), had x-rays which seem ok. Even had an HIV test since I > was worried about repeated susceptibility to pneumonia (which was > negative). > I’m using Nicorette mint lozenges at the moment, and have found it > relatively easy (strangely). > During my last pneumonia, the doctor put me on antibiotics. At the > time, I could not inhale more than 1/2 way in one lung (acute, intense > pain), was painful to sleep etc, and I could feel gurgling in the > bottom of the lung when I breathed. > Nasty > Anyway, I coughed quite a lot during my first week stopping, and after > the week course of antibiotics felt much better. A week after that, I > began to feel slight pain again in the bottom of the same lung. I used > a 2nd antibiotic prescription (same one) the doctor gave me (he said > it might come back) and am halfway through the course. > Anyway, the good news is I can breathe in much deeper now and no pain. > The bad news is that I can feel a gurgling coming from the bottom of > the bad lung when I inhale deeply. The problem is that for the last > week and a half, I’ve not been coughing anything up. There is no > ‘phlegminess’ in the top half of my chest when I forcibly exhale, so I > can’t force anything out. > It’s just this gurgliness that worries me. I asked my wife to listen > to the side of my chest at the bottom of my lung and she says she can > hear a slight squeak when I inhale deeply. > Does anyone know whether I should be worried/what this is? If there is > still crap at the bottom of my lung and I can’t cough it out, what’s > going to happen to it. The gurgle doesn’t hurt, rather almost like an > internal bubbling sensation. If I was still coughing up stuff I’d feel > happier, but the fact I’m not makes me wonder how I’m going to clear > the crap out. > Thanks for any replies. Anyone else had a similar experience? Any > suggestions to help speed things up?
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Hey there WTG on the three week quit! Sounds like you have really been through the wars with health problems – I am so glad you took the step of quitting. As for the gurgle – I’d ask your doctor to check it out. You really don’t want to fool around with something like that, especially given the history you have. It may be normal, or it may be something that needs investigating. Either way, you are going to stress about it until you know. So go get it checked Let us know how you get on…. Paula
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi- > I’ve been a heavy (1.5-2 pack/day) smoker for about 15 yrs. In the > last year I’ve had 3 pneumonias (including coughing up blood), and on > the third I thought, this is stupid. > Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now. I’ve been to the doctor > (and hospital), had x-rays which seem ok. Even had an HIV test since I > was worried about repeated susceptibility to pneumonia (which was > negative). > I’m using Nicorette mint lozenges at the moment, and have found it > relatively easy (strangely). > During my last pneumonia, the doctor put me on antibiotics. At the > time, I could not inhale more than 1/2 way in one lung (acute, intense > pain), was painful to sleep etc, and I could feel gurgling in the > bottom of the lung when I breathed. > Nasty > Anyway, I coughed quite a lot during my first week stopping, and after > the week course of antibiotics felt much better. A week after that, I > began to feel slight pain again in the bottom of the same lung. I used > a 2nd antibiotic prescription (same one) the doctor gave me (he said > it might come back) and am halfway through the course. > Anyway, the good news is I can breathe in much deeper now and no pain. > The bad news is that I can feel a gurgling coming from the bottom of > the bad lung when I inhale deeply. The problem is that for the last > week and a half, I’ve not been coughing anything up. There is no > ‘phlegminess’ in the top half of my chest when I forcibly exhale, so I > can’t force anything out. > It’s just this gurgliness that worries me. I asked my wife to listen > to the side of my chest at the bottom of my lung and she says she can > hear a slight squeak when I inhale deeply. > Does anyone know whether I should be worried/what this is? If there is > still crap at the bottom of my lung and I can’t cough it out, what’s > going to happen to it. The gurgle doesn’t hurt, rather almost like an > internal bubbling sensation. If I was still coughing up stuff I’d feel > happier, but the fact I’m not makes me wonder how I’m going to clear > the crap out. > Thanks for any replies. Anyone else had a similar experience? Any > suggestions to help speed things up?
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> Does anyone know whether I should be worried/what this is? If there is > still crap at the bottom of my lung and I can’t cough it out, what’s > going to happen to it. The gurgle doesn’t hurt, rather almost like an > internal bubbling sensation. If I was still coughing up stuff I’d feel > happier, but the fact I’m not makes me wonder how I’m going to clear > the crap out. > Thanks for any replies. Anyone else had a similar experience? Any > suggestions to help speed things up?
Best thing is to talk to your doctor about it. It could be a lingering effect of the pneumonia, despite all the antibiotics. Perhaps you need a different type of antibiotic to totally knock the thing out. I quit as a result of the bronchitis from hell, and it took quite a while to get over it even with steroids and different antibiotics. I wouldn’t recommend ignoring it, even if it’s harmless, it will make you anxious until you know exactly what it is. Cindy VOF
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Ugh. I must admit i have just skimmed your post, as i am in the middle of eating breakfast ;-) Besides, i knew from your subject line that i couldn’t help you. Hopefully, someone who has some first-hand experience will respond. If you don’t get the info you need… or even if you do… it sounds like something that should be brought to the doctor if it doesn’t clear up before too long. Take care of yourself! ~August OF+
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi- > I’ve been a heavy (1.5-2 pack/day) smoker for about 15 yrs. In the > last year I’ve had 3 pneumonias (including coughing up blood), and on > the third I thought, this is stupid. > Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now. I’ve been to the doctor > (and hospital), had x-rays which seem ok. Even had an HIV test since I > was worried about repeated susceptibility to pneumonia (which was > negative). > I’m using Nicorette mint lozenges at the moment, and have found it > relatively easy (strangely). > During my last pneumonia, the doctor put me on antibiotics. At the > time, I could not inhale more than 1/2 way in one lung (acute, intense > pain), was painful to sleep etc, and I could feel gurgling in the > bottom of the lung when I breathed. > Nasty > Anyway, I coughed quite a lot during my first week stopping, and after > the week course of antibiotics felt much better. A week after that, I > began to feel slight pain again in the bottom of the same lung. I used > a 2nd antibiotic prescription (same one) the doctor gave me (he said > it might come back) and am halfway through the course. > Anyway, the good news is I can breathe in much deeper now and no pain. > The bad news is that I can feel a gurgling coming from the bottom of > the bad lung when I inhale deeply. The problem is that for the last > week and a half, I’ve not been coughing anything up. There is no > ‘phlegminess’ in the top half of my chest when I forcibly exhale, so I > can’t force anything out. > It’s just this gurgliness that worries me. I asked my wife to listen > to the side of my chest at the bottom of my lung and she says she can > hear a slight squeak when I inhale deeply. > Does anyone know whether I should be worried/what this is? If there is > still crap at the bottom of my lung and I can’t cough it out, what’s > going to happen to it. The gurgle doesn’t hurt, rather almost like an > internal bubbling sensation. If I was still coughing up stuff I’d feel > happier, but the fact I’m not makes me wonder how I’m going to clear > the crap out. > Thanks for any replies. Anyone else had a similar experience? Any > suggestions to help speed things up?
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Hi- I’ve been a heavy (1.5-2 pack/day) smoker for about 15 yrs. In the last year I’ve had 3 pneumonias (including coughing up blood), and on the third I thought, this is stupid. Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now. I’ve been to the doctor (and hospital), had x-rays which seem ok. Even had an HIV test since I was worried about repeated susceptibility to pneumonia (which was negative). I’m using Nicorette mint lozenges at the moment, and have found it relatively easy (strangely). During my last pneumonia, the doctor put me on antibiotics. At the time, I could not inhale more than 1/2 way in one lung (acute, intense pain), was painful to sleep etc, and I could feel gurgling in the bottom of the lung when I breathed. Nasty Anyway, I coughed quite a lot during my first week stopping, and after the week course of antibiotics felt much better. A week after that, I began to feel slight pain again in the bottom of the same lung. I used a 2nd antibiotic prescription (same one) the doctor gave me (he said it might come back) and am halfway through the course. Anyway, the good news is I can breathe in much deeper now and no pain. The bad news is that I can feel a gurgling coming from the bottom of the bad lung when I inhale deeply. The problem is that for the last week and a half, I’ve not been coughing anything up. There is no ‘phlegminess’ in the top half of my chest when I forcibly exhale, so I can’t force anything out. It’s just this gurgliness that worries me. I asked my wife to listen to the side of my chest at the bottom of my lung and she says she can hear a slight squeak when I inhale deeply. Does anyone know whether I should be worried/what this is? If there is still crap at the bottom of my lung and I can’t cough it out, what’s going to happen to it. The gurgle doesn’t hurt, rather almost like an internal bubbling sensation. If I was still coughing up stuff I’d feel happier, but the fact I’m not makes me wonder how I’m going to clear the crap out. Thanks for any replies. Anyone else had a similar experience? Any suggestions to help speed things up?
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Hi- I’ve been a heavy (1.5-2 pack/day) smoker for about 15 yrs. In the last year I’ve had 3 pneumonias (including coughing up blood), and on the third I thought, this is stupid. Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now. I’ve been to the doctor (and hospital), had x-rays which seem ok. Even had an HIV test since I was worried about repeated susceptibility to pneumonia (which was negative). I’m using Nicorette mint lozenges at the moment, and have found it relatively easy (strangely). During my last pneumonia, the doctor put me on antibiotics. At the time, I could not inhale more than 1/2 way in one lung (acute, intense pain), was painful to sleep etc, and I could feel gurgling in the bottom of the lung when I breathed. Nasty Anyway, I coughed quite a lot during my first week stopping, and after the week course of antibiotics felt much better. A week after that, I began to feel slight pain again in the bottom of the same lung. I used a 2nd antibiotic prescription (same one) the doctor gave me (he said it might come back) and am halfway through the course. Anyway, the good news is I can breathe in much deeper now and no pain. The bad news is that I can feel a gurgling coming from the bottom of the bad lung when I inhale deeply. The problem is that for the last week and a half, I’ve not been coughing anything up. There is no ‘phlegminess’ in the top half of my chest when I forcibly exhale, so I can’t force anything out. It’s just this gurgliness that worries me. I asked my wife to listen to the side of my chest at the bottom of my lung and she says she can hear a slight squeak when I inhale deeply. Does anyone know whether I should be worried/what this is? If there is still crap at the bottom of my lung and I can’t cough it out, what’s going to happen to it. The gurgle doesn’t hurt, rather almost like an internal bubbling sensation. If I was still coughing up stuff I’d feel happier, but the fact I’m not makes me wonder how I’m going to clear the crap out. Thanks for any replies. Anyone else had a similar experience? Any suggestions to help speed things up?
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Ugh. I must admit i have just skimmed your post, as i am in the middle of eating breakfast ;-) Besides, i knew from your subject line that i couldn’t help you. Hopefully, someone who has some first-hand experience will respond. If you don’t get the info you need… or even if you do… it sounds like something that should be brought to the doctor if it doesn’t clear up before too long. Take care of yourself! ~August OF+
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi- > I’ve been a heavy (1.5-2 pack/day) smoker for about 15 yrs. In the > last year I’ve had 3 pneumonias (including coughing up blood), and on > the third I thought, this is stupid. > Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now. I’ve been to the doctor > (and hospital), had x-rays which seem ok. Even had an HIV test since I > was worried about repeated susceptibility to pneumonia (which was > negative). > I’m using Nicorette mint lozenges at the moment, and have found it > relatively easy (strangely). > During my last pneumonia, the doctor put me on antibiotics. At the > time, I could not inhale more than 1/2 way in one lung (acute, intense > pain), was painful to sleep etc, and I could feel gurgling in the > bottom of the lung when I breathed. > Nasty > Anyway, I coughed quite a lot during my first week stopping, and after > the week course of antibiotics felt much better. A week after that, I > began to feel slight pain again in the bottom of the same lung. I used > a 2nd antibiotic prescription (same one) the doctor gave me (he said > it might come back) and am halfway through the course. > Anyway, the good news is I can breathe in much deeper now and no pain. > The bad news is that I can feel a gurgling coming from the bottom of > the bad lung when I inhale deeply. The problem is that for the last > week and a half, I’ve not been coughing anything up. There is no > ‘phlegminess’ in the top half of my chest when I forcibly exhale, so I > can’t force anything out. > It’s just this gurgliness that worries me. I asked my wife to listen > to the side of my chest at the bottom of my lung and she says she can > hear a slight squeak when I inhale deeply. > Does anyone know whether I should be worried/what this is? If there is > still crap at the bottom of my lung and I can’t cough it out, what’s > going to happen to it. The gurgle doesn’t hurt, rather almost like an > internal bubbling sensation. If I was still coughing up stuff I’d feel > happier, but the fact I’m not makes me wonder how I’m going to clear > the crap out. > Thanks for any replies. Anyone else had a similar experience? Any > suggestions to help speed things up?
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> Does anyone know whether I should be worried/what this is? If there is > still crap at the bottom of my lung and I can’t cough it out, what’s > going to happen to it. The gurgle doesn’t hurt, rather almost like an > internal bubbling sensation. If I was still coughing up stuff I’d feel > happier, but the fact I’m not makes me wonder how I’m going to clear > the crap out. > Thanks for any replies. Anyone else had a similar experience? Any > suggestions to help speed things up?
Best thing is to talk to your doctor about it. It could be a lingering effect of the pneumonia, despite all the antibiotics. Perhaps you need a different type of antibiotic to totally knock the thing out. I quit as a result of the bronchitis from hell, and it took quite a while to get over it even with steroids and different antibiotics. I wouldn’t recommend ignoring it, even if it’s harmless, it will make you anxious until you know exactly what it is. Cindy VOF
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Hey there WTG on the three week quit! Sounds like you have really been through the wars with health problems – I am so glad you took the step of quitting. As for the gurgle – I’d ask your doctor to check it out. You really don’t want to fool around with something like that, especially given the history you have. It may be normal, or it may be something that needs investigating. Either way, you are going to stress about it until you know. So go get it checked Let us know how you get on…. Paula
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi- > I’ve been a heavy (1.5-2 pack/day) smoker for about 15 yrs. In the > last year I’ve had 3 pneumonias (including coughing up blood), and on > the third I thought, this is stupid. > Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now. I’ve been to the doctor > (and hospital), had x-rays which seem ok. Even had an HIV test since I > was worried about repeated susceptibility to pneumonia (which was > negative). > I’m using Nicorette mint lozenges at the moment, and have found it > relatively easy (strangely). > During my last pneumonia, the doctor put me on antibiotics. At the > time, I could not inhale more than 1/2 way in one lung (acute, intense > pain), was painful to sleep etc, and I could feel gurgling in the > bottom of the lung when I breathed. > Nasty > Anyway, I coughed quite a lot during my first week stopping, and after > the week course of antibiotics felt much better. A week after that, I > began to feel slight pain again in the bottom of the same lung. I used > a 2nd antibiotic prescription (same one) the doctor gave me (he said > it might come back) and am halfway through the course. > Anyway, the good news is I can breathe in much deeper now and no pain. > The bad news is that I can feel a gurgling coming from the bottom of > the bad lung when I inhale deeply. The problem is that for the last > week and a half, I’ve not been coughing anything up. There is no > ‘phlegminess’ in the top half of my chest when I forcibly exhale, so I > can’t force anything out. > It’s just this gurgliness that worries me. I asked my wife to listen > to the side of my chest at the bottom of my lung and she says she can > hear a slight squeak when I inhale deeply. > Does anyone know whether I should be worried/what this is? If there is > still crap at the bottom of my lung and I can’t cough it out, what’s > going to happen to it. The gurgle doesn’t hurt, rather almost like an > internal bubbling sensation. If I was still coughing up stuff I’d feel > happier, but the fact I’m not makes me wonder how I’m going to clear > the crap out. > Thanks for any replies. Anyone else had a similar experience? Any > suggestions to help speed things up?
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Congrats on having achieved 3 weeks! I think you should go see your doctor and get him to culture some sputum. You may be dealing with a pneumonia that is resistant to the particular antibiotic he gave you. He needs to culture it to ensure that the antibiotic you are taking will well-and-truly kill it off completely, otherwise it will keep rebounding–stronger and stronger. Take care — you want to be healthy! …pat. of — Pat and Ash http://www3.sympatico.ca/patash/
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Nice going on the 3 week quit, keep on going and get the dr. to check that lung, may be an infection of some kind. Paul D Eight months, three weeks, three days, 4 hours, 27 minutes and 57 seconds. 13359 cigarettes not smoked, saving $1,469.29. Life saved: 6 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 15 minutes.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi- > I’ve been a heavy (1.5-2 pack/day) smoker for about 15 yrs. In the > last year I’ve had 3 pneumonias (including coughing up blood), and on > the third I thought, this is stupid. > Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now. I’ve been to the doctor > (and hospital), had x-rays which seem ok. Even had an HIV test since I > was worried about repeated susceptibility to pneumonia (which was > negative). > I’m using Nicorette mint lozenges at the moment, and have found it > relatively easy (strangely). > During my last pneumonia, the doctor put me on antibiotics. At the > time, I could not inhale more than 1/2 way in one lung (acute, intense > pain), was painful to sleep etc, and I could feel gurgling in the > bottom of the lung when I breathed. > Nasty > Anyway, I coughed quite a lot during my first week stopping, and after > the week course of antibiotics felt much better. A week after that, I > began to feel slight pain again in the bottom of the same lung. I used > a 2nd antibiotic prescription (same one) the doctor gave me (he said > it might come back) and am halfway through the course. > Anyway, the good news is I can breathe in much deeper now and no pain. > The bad news is that I can feel a gurgling coming from the bottom of > the bad lung when I inhale deeply. The problem is that for the last > week and a half, I’ve not been coughing anything up. There is no > ‘phlegminess’ in the top half of my chest when I forcibly exhale, so I > can’t force anything out. > It’s just this gurgliness that worries me. I asked my wife to listen > to the side of my chest at the bottom of my lung and she says she can > hear a slight squeak when I inhale deeply. > Does anyone know whether I should be worried/what this is? If there is > still crap at the bottom of my lung and I can’t cough it out, what’s > going to happen to it. The gurgle doesn’t hurt, rather almost like an > internal bubbling sensation. If I was still coughing up stuff I’d feel > happier, but the fact I’m not makes me wonder how I’m going to clear > the crap out. > Thanks for any replies. Anyone else had a similar experience? Any > suggestions to help speed things up?
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trying_hard: … >Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now.
… Very good news. Congratulations! Sorry that I can’t help you with your health question, but I agree (fwiw) with the replies advising you to seek a professional opinion. But, for all your quitting needs, please continue to use us…ask questions, rant your way through a tough crave, and show off how great you’re doing Good luck with everything. —– Maddie, 5 months
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > trying_hard: > … >Good news is: I’ve stopped for 3 weeks now. > … > Very good news. Congratulations! > Sorry that I can’t help you with your health question, but I agree (fwiw) with > the replies advising you to seek a professional opinion. > But, for all your quitting needs, please continue to use us…ask questions, > rant your way through a tough crave, and show off how great you’re doing > Good luck with everything. > —– > Maddie, 5 months
Now 3 1/2 weeks. The gurgling seems to have stopped (I’ve just finished my 2nd course of antibiotics), and I’m hoping it doesn’t come back like it did last time. Furthermore, I have to start *yet another* 3 day course of antibiotics tomorrow for a root canal treatment (apparently the other antibiotic didn’t stop an infection of the tooth root…). Whatever, hopefully after next wednesday (root treatment day …) I should be free of antibiotics and also of cigarettes…. Will keep people updated.
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> Now 3 1/2 weeks. The gurgling seems to have stopped (I’ve just > finished my 2nd course of antibiotics), and I’m hoping it doesn’t come > back like it did last time.
Excellent! Let’s hope it doesn’t! > Furthermore, I have to start *yet another* 3 day course of antibiotics > tomorrow for a root canal treatment (apparently the other antibiotic > didn’t stop an infection of the tooth root…).
Ugh. I hate antibiotics. They screw up my system. > Whatever, hopefully after next wednesday (root treatment day …) I > should be free of antibiotics and also of cigarettes…. > Will keep people updated.
You do that! We wanna know…grab yourself a meter from www.silkquit.org if you like, they are a fun tool for keeping an eye on your quit. Best to you Paula
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