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Although anal sex plays an important factor in the widespread of the deadly disease, ( mostly gays where anal penetration is common), an infected male or female can pass it on to his/her partner during normal intercourse. Also transfusion of infected blood is also a medium of transmitting the virus. Whatever the Quoran forbids, as long as there is genital contact from an infected person, theres a great chance of passing and spreading the virus. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What do you mean "if"? > Many muslims have full blown aids. and many of them will die this year. > Higher percentage have contracted the HIV and will develop to full blown > aids in a matter of years. This is the result of neglecting proper sex > hygiene, > unhealthy environment, bestiality and shortage of medical assistance and > doctors. > Anal intercourse is forbidden in hadeeths, (if not in Quraan). > Thus, a muslims is not supposed to fuck anybody up in ass, nor get fucked > by anybody. > Then, how did they get AIDS? > Incidently, I had talked with some muslims about anal intercourse being > forbidden in Islam. > They clarified that hadeeths say that "penetration from rear" is specified > as forbidden in Islam. > Thus, they had interpreted it to mean that if they penetrate a male’s rear > hole or a female’s rear or front hole from his/her back side, it is > forbidden. > they concluded that if they position the male/ female so that they can > penetrate the rear hole when they are in the front of that person, it is > allowed. > thus, they revealed, they have been enjoying anal intercourse with wife, > others, male/females penetrating the ass from front. > Could anyone please shed some light about it.
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> What do you mean "if"? > Many muslims have full blown aids. and many of them will die this year. > Higher percentage have contracted the HIV and will develop to full blown > aids in a matter of years. This is the result of neglecting proper sex > hygiene, > unhealthy environment, bestiality and shortage of medical assistance and > doctors.
Anal intercourse is forbidden in hadeeths, (if not in Quraan). Thus, a muslims is not supposed to fuck anybody up in ass, nor get fucked by anybody. Then, how did they get AIDS? Incidently, I had talked with some muslims about anal intercourse being forbidden in Islam. They clarified that hadeeths say that "penetration from rear" is specified as forbidden in Islam. Thus, they had interpreted it to mean that if they penetrate a male’s rear hole or a female’s rear or front hole from his/her back side, it is forbidden. they concluded that if they position the male/ female so that they can penetrate the rear hole when they are in the front of that person, it is allowed. thus, they revealed, they have been enjoying anal intercourse with wife, others, male/females penetrating the ass from front. Could anyone please shed some light about it.
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if a muslim has full blown aids can he read Salaat in mosque, also read quraan, etc. aids is a disease, is it regarded as a sin in Islam if contracted by what ever means except zinna As we all know about aids lets say if a muslim has full blown aids can one read namaaz in the mosque also quraan and keep roza , aids is a disease, is it regarded as a sin in Islam if contracted by what ever means except zinna , and if by zinna is it also a sin. Answer 6537 2002-08-28 View random fatwa Tell a friend Printable Copy Search Q & A’s View Q & A’s Ask a Question A person with aids can attend the Musjid, read the Qur’aan and fast. Zina is a sin. Aids itself is not a sin. GOOD. THEN AIDS WILL SPREAD IN THE ARAB MOSQUES 
and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best Moulana Imraan Vawda FATWA DEPT. CHECKED AND APPROVED CORRECT: Mufti Ebrahim Desai http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6537
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What do you mean "if"? Many muslims have full blown aids. and many of them will die this year. Higher percentage have contracted the HIV and will develop to full blown aids in a matter of years. This is the result of neglecting proper sex hygiene, unhealthy environment, bestiality and shortage of medical assistance and doctors.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> if a muslim has full blown aids can he read Salaat in mosque, also read > quraan, etc. aids is a disease, is it regarded as a sin in Islam if > contracted by what ever means except zinna > As we all know about aids lets say if a muslim has full blown aids can > one read namaaz in the mosque also quraan and keep roza , aids is a > disease, is it regarded as a sin in Islam if contracted by what ever > means except zinna , and if by zinna is it also a sin. > Answer 6537 2002-08-28 > View random fatwa > Tell a friend > Printable Copy > Search Q & A’s > View Q & A’s > Ask a Question > A person with aids can attend the Musjid, read the Qur’aan and fast. Zina > is a sin. Aids itself is not a sin. > GOOD. THEN AIDS WILL SPREAD IN THE ARAB MOSQUES > and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best > Moulana Imraan Vawda > FATWA DEPT. > CHECKED AND APPROVED CORRECT: Mufti Ebrahim Desai > http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6537
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My name is Faris Jawad-amongst a host of other aliases. I own up at last-the AIDS is starting to play tricks with my miniscule brain.I actually believed sensible people would be taken in by islamofascist bullshit. I humbly apologise for using various aliases to spam newsgroups with what I now know to be total crap.If it happens again,I humbly apologise in advance for paranoid delusional rantings which are written in the name of the false moon god and serial paedophile Allah I am off now to enjoy a lovely pork lunch,and shag an underage boy for afters-oh no-islamic rantings again……HELP ME.PLEASE…… Shalom to my Jewish brothers
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> There are many lies taught about Islam in UK > Schools Teaching Islam
Yep the above statement makes sense. All the Schools Teaching Islam claiming it’s peaceful is but one of the lies.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There are many lies taught about Islam in UK > Schools Teaching Islam > I know of two major studies into school textbooks, one in Britain by > IQRA Trust and one in Europe by Abdoljavad Falaturi. Both discovered > many errors and instances of bias against Islam. Many of the school > textbooks are written by Christian clergymen or from a Christian point > of view, sometimes subtly perpetuating the violent and bloodthirsty > image of Islam, which stems from the Crusader propaganda. > IQRA Trust went on to survey the books used in training teachers, and > most of these were written by Orientalists of the past with strong > anti-Muslim bias. IQRA’s survey, due to lack of funds, remains > unpublished and now mainly inaccessible. > Falaturi’s findings were very similar. He said that the negative > comments of the external, Western observer are not meant to be > unfriendly. They are programmed by the deep-rooted negative image of > Islam in Western culture, which seems to show everything negative can > only stem from Islam. It is typical with this attitude that one can > find only a little positive information about Islam in textbooks of > these areas in the West, where one or another individual could learn > from Islam. > However, the picture is not without hope. Some Orientalists, like W. > Montgomery Watt, have recanted on their previous views and now try to > be fairer. Muslim scholars are now writing their own books on Islam in > European languages and several well-researched books have exposed the > bias against Islam in Western source literature. Some Muslims are now > being asked to write for major educational publishers, and others, who > used to write from a Christian viewpoint, like Rosalyn Kendrick and > Professor Neal Robinson, have embraced Islam and written > sympathetically about their chosen religion. There have been various > series on BBC and Channel 4 TV (UK), as well as on CNN and other US > channels, showing Islam in a more favorable light. In 2002, there was > also a very good series in The Guardian newspaper, on Muslims in > Britain , in 2002. > School textbooks, though, remain a problem as they are expensive to > produce and to buy-and schools are poor. > Changing old library and teaching stock will take many years and much > investment on the part of publishers and schools. In the late 1980s and > early 1990s, IQRA Trust made a good start by commissioning the writing > of a large number of books and work cards geared to mainstream schools > and the UK National Curriculum, some of which have since been published > and widely advertised to schools as an Islamic Resource Pack. IQRA and > other Muslim organizations in the UK, like the Muslim Educational > Trust, worked with official bodies to improve the curriculum for > teaching Islam in mainstream schools. > Muslim schools where Islam and Arabic are taught alongside the National > Curriculum have been set up right across the country, but only two have > gained any funding from the state so far, and only after long battles. > Brother Yusuf Islam set up an Islamic Education Waqf (religious > endowment) to help support Muslim schools and students. > There is also the Islamic Home Schooling Advisory Network (IHSAN), a > new organization to help mothers who want to teach their children at > home. > At the request of a local education authority, IQRA Trust produced a > major interactive, multimedia exhibition called The Islamic Experience, > which has been touring the country since 1995. Between 1995 and 2000 it > visited 17 different localities with repeated visits to two of these. > This was highly acclaimed by all who visited it. It has been upgraded > and re-launched this year. It is now on its fourth showing. After much > initial investment, this exhibition is beginning to be self-supporting. > There are plans currently being discussed for it to have a permanent > home in Birmingham , right in the middle of the country. > There is also talk of making a copy to circulate in the US educational > system, which has similar regulations about not promoting any one > religion, but allowing education about religions. > There is also another brave and enthusiastic attempt, by non-Muslim > Mosaic International. It is to generate a video-touring exhibition, on > the influence of Islamic learning on Europe. In fact, it has so far > failed to gain adequate funding, in spite of much good will from many > experts and influential people. > There are many other Muslim organizations working to help schools teach > Islam more successfully. Some of them were directly inspired by > IQRA’s exhibition, like the Islamic Awareness and Education Project > based in Wiltshire, the Cambridge Islamic Awareness Project, and a > similar project in Norwich , all of which train and equip volunteers to > respond to requests by schools for Muslim visitors. Several young > Muslims’ organizations and local Muslim action groups are also > setting up school visitors projects. IQRA Trust has produced a handbook > for school visitors and has given training to some of these groups, and > the trust itself sends out school visitors on request. > IQRA Trust provides in-service training for teachers on request. Also, > the Association of Muslim Schools UK and Eire, provide training courses > for Muslim graduate teachers. > The World Assembly of Muslim Youth has produced a very useful and > informative exhibition called Discover Islam. It consists of 25 large > posters and is popular with Muslim groups, local education authorities, > schools, and prisons that run Islamic awareness days and weeks, or > multicultural awareness events. > As for the academic field, the Center of Islamic Studies in the School > of Oriental and African Studies, University of London , has started a > series of publications on the Qur’an. The Center for Islamic Studies > in Oxford is working on a major Atlas of Islamic history. There are > also some good, general introductory books by Muslim writers being > circulated by various Muslim organizations. > Also, there are several organizations broadcasting Islamic educational > programs on radio, TV, and the Internet. Educational Islamic Web sites > are offering Islamic books, videos, nasheeds, CD ROMs and other > information, mainly for Muslim children. There is even a Muslim film > company in Hollywood, USA. > Still others are taking on the media by encouraging Muslims and > sympathizers to write in, contradicting and complaining about biased > media reporting. Muslim professionals are also getting jobs in the > mainstream media and encouraging the production of sympathetic programs > and educational materials about Islam. The BBC was offering expertise > in return for investment to make suitable programs last year for its > Islam season. > The one thing almost all these worthy organizations and individuals, > and others like them, have in common, is shortage of funding. To make a > big impression you need big funding, and what funding there is seems to > be declining rather than increasing. If people in the Arab world really > want to help improve the image of Islam in the West, the most useful > thing they can do is to raise funds for such organizations and > encourage them in the good work they are already trying to do. > For your further guidance, please try the following links: > http://www.islamonline.net/English/family/2005/04/article05.shtml > http://www.islamonline.net/English/family/2004/11/article01.shtml
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My name is Faris Jawad-amongst a host of other aliases. I own up at last-the AIDS is starting to play tricks with my miniscule brain.I actually believed sensible people would be taken in by islamofascist bullshit. I humbly apologise for using various aliases to spam newsgroups with what I now know to be total crap.If it happens again,I humbly apologise in advance for paranoid delusional rantings which are written in the name of the false moon god and serial paedophile Allah I am off now to enjoy a lovely pork lunch,and shag an underage boy for afters-oh no-islamic rantings again……HELP ME.PLEASE…… Shalom to my Jewish brothers
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There are many lies taught about Islam in UK Schools Teaching Islam I know of two major studies into school textbooks, one in Britain by IQRA Trust and one in Europe by Abdoljavad Falaturi. Both discovered many errors and instances of bias against Islam. Many of the school textbooks are written by Christian clergymen or from a Christian point of view, sometimes subtly perpetuating the violent and bloodthirsty image of Islam, which stems from the Crusader propaganda. IQRA Trust went on to survey the books used in training teachers, and most of these were written by Orientalists of the past with strong anti-Muslim bias. IQRA’s survey, due to lack of funds, remains unpublished and now mainly inaccessible. Falaturi’s findings were very similar. He said that the negative comments of the external, Western observer are not meant to be unfriendly. They are programmed by the deep-rooted negative image of Islam in Western culture, which seems to show everything negative can only stem from Islam. It is typical with this attitude that one can find only a little positive information about Islam in textbooks of these areas in the West, where one or another individual could learn from Islam. However, the picture is not without hope. Some Orientalists, like W. Montgomery Watt, have recanted on their previous views and now try to be fairer. Muslim scholars are now writing their own books on Islam in European languages and several well-researched books have exposed the bias against Islam in Western source literature. Some Muslims are now being asked to write for major educational publishers, and others, who used to write from a Christian viewpoint, like Rosalyn Kendrick and Professor Neal Robinson, have embraced Islam and written sympathetically about their chosen religion. There have been various series on BBC and Channel 4 TV (UK), as well as on CNN and other US channels, showing Islam in a more favorable light. In 2002, there was also a very good series in The Guardian newspaper, on Muslims in Britain , in 2002. School textbooks, though, remain a problem as they are expensive to produce and to buy-and schools are poor. Changing old library and teaching stock will take many years and much investment on the part of publishers and schools. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, IQRA Trust made a good start by commissioning the writing of a large number of books and work cards geared to mainstream schools and the UK National Curriculum, some of which have since been published and widely advertised to schools as an Islamic Resource Pack. IQRA and other Muslim organizations in the UK, like the Muslim Educational Trust, worked with official bodies to improve the curriculum for teaching Islam in mainstream schools. Muslim schools where Islam and Arabic are taught alongside the National Curriculum have been set up right across the country, but only two have gained any funding from the state so far, and only after long battles. Brother Yusuf Islam set up an Islamic Education Waqf (religious endowment) to help support Muslim schools and students. There is also the Islamic Home Schooling Advisory Network (IHSAN), a new organization to help mothers who want to teach their children at home. At the request of a local education authority, IQRA Trust produced a major interactive, multimedia exhibition called The Islamic Experience, which has been touring the country since 1995. Between 1995 and 2000 it visited 17 different localities with repeated visits to two of these. This was highly acclaimed by all who visited it. It has been upgraded and re-launched this year. It is now on its fourth showing. After much initial investment, this exhibition is beginning to be self-supporting. There are plans currently being discussed for it to have a permanent home in Birmingham , right in the middle of the country. There is also talk of making a copy to circulate in the US educational system, which has similar regulations about not promoting any one religion, but allowing education about religions. There is also another brave and enthusiastic attempt, by non-Muslim Mosaic International. It is to generate a video-touring exhibition, on the influence of Islamic learning on Europe. In fact, it has so far failed to gain adequate funding, in spite of much good will from many experts and influential people. There are many other Muslim organizations working to help schools teach Islam more successfully. Some of them were directly inspired by IQRA’s exhibition, like the Islamic Awareness and Education Project based in Wiltshire, the Cambridge Islamic Awareness Project, and a similar project in Norwich , all of which train and equip volunteers to respond to requests by schools for Muslim visitors. Several young Muslims’ organizations and local Muslim action groups are also setting up school visitors projects. IQRA Trust has produced a handbook for school visitors and has given training to some of these groups, and the trust itself sends out school visitors on request. IQRA Trust provides in-service training for teachers on request. Also, the Association of Muslim Schools UK and Eire, provide training courses for Muslim graduate teachers. The World Assembly of Muslim Youth has produced a very useful and informative exhibition called Discover Islam. It consists of 25 large posters and is popular with Muslim groups, local education authorities, schools, and prisons that run Islamic awareness days and weeks, or multicultural awareness events. As for the academic field, the Center of Islamic Studies in the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London , has started a series of publications on the Qur’an. The Center for Islamic Studies in Oxford is working on a major Atlas of Islamic history. There are also some good, general introductory books by Muslim writers being circulated by various Muslim organizations. Also, there are several organizations broadcasting Islamic educational programs on radio, TV, and the Internet. Educational Islamic Web sites are offering Islamic books, videos, nasheeds, CD ROMs and other information, mainly for Muslim children. There is even a Muslim film company in Hollywood, USA. Still others are taking on the media by encouraging Muslims and sympathizers to write in, contradicting and complaining about biased media reporting. Muslim professionals are also getting jobs in the mainstream media and encouraging the production of sympathetic programs and educational materials about Islam. The BBC was offering expertise in return for investment to make suitable programs last year for its Islam season. The one thing almost all these worthy organizations and individuals, and others like them, have in common, is shortage of funding. To make a big impression you need big funding, and what funding there is seems to be declining rather than increasing. If people in the Arab world really want to help improve the image of Islam in the West, the most useful thing they can do is to raise funds for such organizations and encourage them in the good work they are already trying to do. For your further guidance, please try the following links: http://www.islamonline.net/English/family/2005/04/article05.shtml http://www.islamonline.net/English/family/2004/11/article01.shtml
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There is a fair bit of dishonesty and double counting in your list. For example, Palestine and Israel are listed separately although they are the same. Kashmir ( a state in India ) and India also have seperate entries. Try some honesty. — Seek simplicity and mistrust it. Alfred Whitehead A witty saying proves nothing. Voltaire
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you title states that these muslims were killed by western powers since when are the Russians western along with all the other groups how about telling people about what would have happened to all the muslims in former Yugoslavia if the western powers didn’t come in what about all the muslims in the sudan killing and raping the black population whos killing all the muslim people in iraq with their terrorist bombs, it wouldnt be other muslims by any chance would it muslims have killed 10 times more muslims than all the non muslim countries put together you stated that ALGERIA: Several thousand killed during independence struggle from France. More than 100, 000 killed since 1992, by the Secular Regime for fear of Muslim takeover of government. why did they struggle to get independence from france and than all go over to live overthere isnt about 20% of france muslim can you please explain to me why if the west is so bad why millions of muslims try and escape to the west but why so may westerners who can leave whenever they want to never go to live in muslim countries how many refugees come to australia for instance to say they are refugees from afganistan and iraq and pass throught a muslim country like indonesia but dont want to stay there and risk their lives trying to get to australia is it maybe that they prefer the democracy and freedom of a western state rather than the totalitarian regime like the taliban or saddam when the muslims can sort themselves out than maybe then we can leave in peace.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Killing of Muslims in various countries by western powers, Refugees and > the Killing Fields > 1. AFGHANISTAN: 2 million killed during Soviet invasion since 1979. Now > it’s the turn of Americans, British & Russians to kill several thousand > Talibans and their foreign helpers in 2001. More than 6 Million made > refugees. > 2. ALBANIA: Several thousand by Soviet Communists, since 1944. Hosted > 465,000 Kosovar refugees in 1999. > 3. ALGERIA: Several thousand killed during independence struggle from > France. More than 100, 000 killed since 1992, by the Secular Regime for > fear of Muslim takeover of government. > 4. ARMENIA: Several thousand Muslims killed in an enclave called > Nagorno Karabakh during 1992-93 > 5. AZERBAIJAN: Several thousand Muslims killed by Soviets since 1922. > 6. BANGLADESH: More than one million people killed by Indian/Bengali > Terrorists, and 10 million made refugees since 1970. > 7. BOSNIA-HERZOGOVINA: Several hundred thousand Muslims killed by Serbs > and Croats since 1991. > 8. CHAD: Several thousand by French since 1981. > 9. CYPRESS: Several thousand Turkish Muslims killed by Greek since > 1964. > 10. DJIBOUTI: Several thousand killed during clashes with Ethiopia > since 1976. > 11. EGYPT: Several thousand Egyptian soldiers in Sinia killed since > 1967 War by Israelis. > 12. ERITRIA: Several thousand starved and killed by Ethiopians, since > 1962. > 13. INDIA: More than 2 million by Hindus, since 1947 partition of > India. > 14. INDONESIA: More than 500,000 thousand Indonesians (mostly Muslims) > were killed since 1960 by labeling them as communists with the help > from U.S. > 15. IRAN: More than 2 million people lost their lives during Iranian > revolution and by Iraqis after 1980, with the aid of American troops > and Naval Fleet. > 16. IRAQ: The worst massacre of Muslims by American and British forces > in the history, in which 150,000 lost lives, since 1991 Persian Gulf > War. More than 7000 Iraqi soldiers sitting in trenches were buried > alive when American infantry vehicle equipped with bulldozing blades > pushed sand on them in the trenches. > 17. ISRAEL: More than 3 million Muslim Arabs have been killed since > 1920’s by Jews. > 18. JORDAN: Hosted 700,000 refugees after Iraq was encouraged by U.S. > to take over Kuwait in 1990. > 19. KAZAKHSTAN: Several thousand Muslims by Soviets since 1936. > 20. KOSOVO: Several thousand Albanian Muslims were killed by Serbs > during recent Balkan crisis in Mid 90’s, and many thousands made > refugees. > 21. KUWAIT: Several thousand Kuwaitis lost lives during Iraq’s invasion > and Gulf War since 1990. > 22. KYRGYZSTAN: Several thousand Muslims by Soviet since 1936. > 23. LEBANON: An estimated 60,000 killed by Christian Fallangistsduring > 1975-76 Civil War, and many thousands killed since Lebanon’s occupation > by Israel in 1982, including several thousand at Sabra and Shatila > Palestinian refugee camps. Israeli troops made Lebanon a killing ground > since that time. > 24. LIBYA: U.S. Air Force bombed Tripoli & Be Ghazi in 1982, and 1986, > downing a few planes, sinking two ships, and killing several hundred > civilians including the adopted daughter of Muammar Qaddafi. > 25. MOROCCO: In 1979 Morocco lost several thousand troops after > invasion of Mauritania and Western Sahara for its rich mineral > deposits. > 26. NIGERIA: U.S. tried to divide Nigeria into another oil-rich region > calling it Biafra in which several thousand lives were lost in 1967. > Because of oil covert operations in Nigeria have caused high loss of > life in Muslim areas since that time. > 27. OMAN: Although not much is heard about Oman, but U.S. has set up a > permanent military base in Oman since mid 80s, used by American and > British forces during Persian Gulf War and recent Afghan War. > 28. PAKISTAN: Although no direct involvement by Western forces, yet the > internal strife called ethnic killings is due to help given to > dissident and opposition forces by Americans, Indian and British > intelligence has led to several thousand deaths since 1970’s. > 29. PHILIPPINES: More than 120,000 Muslims living in Mindanao lost > their lives by Christians assisted by U.S. covert operations. > 30. SOMALIA: Several hundred thousands Somalis died in civil war > encouraged by Christian covert war-lords in surrounding countries > assisted by U.S. U.S. Forces killed several hundred Somalis in 1995, > just to capture one person Col. Aideed. > 31. SUDAN: more than 2 million people killed by covert operations since > 1990 and many million have been displaced. > 32. SYRIA: Ever since 1967 Six Day War, Israel has killed many thousand > Syrians along with suppression by Bathist political party, whose > founder was a Christian Arab. Syrian forces confronted Arab Philangists > in Lebanon, and many killed by Israeli Defense Forces and their > surrogates in South Lebanon Army. > 33. TANZANIA: In January 1964, Sultan was ousted. This was achieved by > revolutionary forces with the help from Western masters. In this > process Several thousand Arabs/Muslims were slaughtered. > 34. TAJIKISTAN: Soviets killed and displaced several hundred thousands > of Tajiks from 1929. Later the invasion of Afghanistan in late 80s led > to several thousand dead in war with Afghans. > 35. TURKMENISTAN: Soviets killed and displaced many thousands of > Turkmenistanis after 1925. The investment by Western/American Oil > companies is leading to killing of many in Afghanistan by Turkmen and > Tajiks in current crisis in 2001. > 36. UGANDA: From 1971 to 1979, several thousand Muslim lost their lives > when British American forces launched covert operations to oust Idi > Amin. > 37. UZBEKISTAN: Soviet Russia after 1925 killed many thousands of > Muslims and displaced many thousands more. > 38. YEMEN: More than 200,000 people lost their lives since Gamal Abdul > Nasser launched a campaign in 60s, and more than 300,000 fled to south > during two decades of hostilities created by communists in the North. > 39. ZAMBIA: The covert civil strife and AIDS has taken a great toll in > this impoverished country, and more than 500, 000 children have been > orphaned. > 40. PALESTINE: Ever since the creation of Israel, more than two million > people lost their lives in Palestine, and many millions were driven out > never to return to their homeland. > 41. KASHMIR: More than a million Muslims have lost their lives ever > since Indian occupation in 1948, and many millions became refugees. > REFUGEES: > Today the largest number of refugees in the world are the Muslims, and > no one counts the Millions of Muslims killed in Asia, Africa, Middle > East, Europe, and South East Asia but the American are erecting > Holocaust Museums all over the country to remind the brutality > experienced by six million Jews at the hands of none other than the > intolerant Christians in Europe. This led to partition of Palestine > giving most of the Arab lands to settle European Jews in 1948, and > create a permanent problem for Arabs since that time. Israel has been > used as a surrogate to fight for American interests and at war with > neighboring Muslim countries ever since that time. The recent war in > Afghanistan has created many more million refugees driven in all > directions, but majority towards Pakistan by United States and > Britain. They are not only killing Afghan Muslim through unprecedented > and relentless bombing in history but also encouraging Muslims from > North to kill other Muslims in the South especially in the Holy Month > of Ramadan. > KILLING FIELDS: > US/UK are using latest weapons technology and the heaviest bombs > (15,000 lbs), cluster bombs, and cruise missiles tipped with depleted > Uranium warheads, to kill and maim civilians without any mercy, and at > the same time dropping food packages to show their hypocrisy never seen > in the history before. Ever since the Persian Gulf War, US/UK have used > Depleted Uranium weapons that will kill millions with cancer and other > diseases, in those areas contaminated with radioactive debris that will > continue to effect life for millions of years through the killing > ionizing radiation. > This war will leave a great deal of animosity
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> 15. IRAN: More than 2 million people lost their lives during Iranian > revolution and by Iraqis after 1980, with the aid of American troops > and Naval Fleet.
The 1 million people were killed by your hero SADDAM (who started the war) and his filthy ARAB and MUSLIM allies and their money. ALL the innocent people killed were Muslims (Muslim killing Muslim) IRAQ- Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis (including Kords and Shia) were killed by your hero SADDAM. Many more would have been killed , if he was not removed by US and its allies MUSLIMS are the Menace and produce the most terrorists killing, bombing, beheading innocent people (including other Muslims) all around the world , for their Allah (from Philippines, to Holland, to UK, Pakistan, Iran, India, US, Afghanistan,….) If you want to go further back, Mohamad and his MUSLIMS thugs were the major source of terrorism and killing innocent people from Persia to Spain, forcing and killing people to convert to their Islamic CULT. Not much has changed , the same terrorist Muslims are trying to do the same for their imaginary Allah (following Quran) in 21st century – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Killing of Muslims in various countries by western powers, Refugees and > the Killing Fields > 1. AFGHANISTAN: 2 million killed during Soviet invasion since 1979. Now > it’s the turn of Americans, British & Russians to kill several thousand > Talibans and their foreign helpers in 2001. More than 6 Million made > refugees. > 2. ALBANIA: Several thousand by Soviet Communists, since 1944. Hosted > 465,000 Kosovar refugees in 1999. > 3. ALGERIA: Several thousand killed during independence struggle from > France. More than 100, 000 killed since 1992, by the Secular Regime for > fear of Muslim takeover of government. > 4. ARMENIA: Several thousand Muslims killed in an enclave called > Nagorno Karabakh during 1992-93 > 5. AZERBAIJAN: Several thousand Muslims killed by Soviets since 1922. > 6. BANGLADESH: More than one million people killed by Indian/Bengali > Terrorists, and 10 million made refugees since 1970. > 7. BOSNIA-HERZOGOVINA: Several hundred thousand Muslims killed by Serbs > and Croats since 1991. > 8. CHAD: Several thousand by French since 1981. > 9. CYPRESS: Several thousand Turkish Muslims killed by Greek since > 1964. > 10. DJIBOUTI: Several thousand killed during clashes with Ethiopia > since 1976. > 11. EGYPT: Several thousand Egyptian soldiers in Sinia killed since > 1967 War by Israelis. > 12. ERITRIA: Several thousand starved and killed by Ethiopians, since > 1962. > 13. INDIA: More than 2 million by Hindus, since 1947 partition of > India. > 14. INDONESIA: More than 500,000 thousand Indonesians (mostly Muslims) > were killed since 1960 by labeling them as communists with the help > from U.S. > 15. IRAN: More than 2 million people lost their lives during Iranian > revolution and by Iraqis after 1980, with the aid of American troops > and Naval Fleet. > 16. IRAQ: The worst massacre of Muslims by American and British forces > in the history, in which 150,000 lost lives, since 1991 Persian Gulf > War. More than 7000 Iraqi soldiers sitting in trenches were buried > alive when American infantry vehicle equipped with bulldozing blades > pushed sand on them in the trenches. > 17. ISRAEL: More than 3 million Muslim Arabs have been killed since > 1920’s by Jews. > 18. JORDAN: Hosted 700,000 refugees after Iraq was encouraged by U.S. > to take over Kuwait in 1990. > 19. KAZAKHSTAN: Several thousand Muslims by Soviets since 1936. > 20. KOSOVO: Several thousand Albanian Muslims were killed by Serbs > during recent Balkan crisis in Mid 90’s, and many thousands made > refugees. > 21. KUWAIT: Several thousand Kuwaitis lost lives during Iraq’s invasion > and Gulf War since 1990. > 22. KYRGYZSTAN: Several thousand Muslims by Soviet since 1936. > 23. LEBANON: An estimated 60,000 killed by Christian Fallangistsduring > 1975-76 Civil War, and many thousands killed since Lebanon’s occupation > by Israel in 1982, including several thousand at Sabra and Shatila > Palestinian refugee camps. Israeli troops made Lebanon a killing ground > since that time. > 24. LIBYA: U.S. Air Force bombed Tripoli & Be Ghazi in 1982, and 1986, > downing a few planes, sinking two ships, and killing several hundred > civilians including the adopted daughter of Muammar Qaddafi. > 25. MOROCCO: In 1979 Morocco lost several thousand troops after > invasion of Mauritania and Western Sahara for its rich mineral > deposits. > 26. NIGERIA: U.S. tried to divide Nigeria into another oil-rich region > calling it Biafra in which several thousand lives were lost in 1967. > Because of oil covert operations in Nigeria have caused high loss of > life in Muslim areas since that time. > 27. OMAN: Although not much is heard about Oman, but U.S. has set up a > permanent military base in Oman since mid 80s, used by American and > British forces during Persian Gulf War and recent Afghan War. > 28. PAKISTAN: Although no direct involvement by Western forces, yet the > internal strife called ethnic killings is due to help given to > dissident and opposition forces by Americans, Indian and British > intelligence has led to several thousand deaths since 1970’s. > 29. PHILIPPINES: More than 120,000 Muslims living in Mindanao lost > their lives by Christians assisted by U.S. covert operations. > 30. SOMALIA: Several hundred thousands Somalis died in civil war > encouraged by Christian covert war-lords in surrounding countries > assisted by U.S. U.S. Forces killed several hundred Somalis in 1995, > just to capture one person Col. Aideed. > 31. SUDAN: more than 2 million people killed by covert operations since > 1990 and many million have been displaced. > 32. SYRIA: Ever since 1967 Six Day War, Israel has killed many thousand > Syrians along with suppression by Bathist political party, whose > founder was a Christian Arab. Syrian forces confronted Arab Philangists > in Lebanon, and many killed by Israeli Defense Forces and their > surrogates in South Lebanon Army. > 33. TANZANIA: In January 1964, Sultan was ousted. This was achieved by > revolutionary forces with the help from Western masters. In this > process Several thousand Arabs/Muslims were slaughtered. > 34. TAJIKISTAN: Soviets killed and displaced several hundred thousands > of Tajiks from 1929. Later the invasion of Afghanistan in late 80s led > to several thousand dead in war with Afghans. > 35. TURKMENISTAN: Soviets killed and displaced many thousands of > Turkmenistanis after 1925. The investment by Western/American Oil > companies is leading to killing of many in Afghanistan by Turkmen and > Tajiks in current crisis in 2001. > 36. UGANDA: From 1971 to 1979, several thousand Muslim lost their lives > when British American forces launched covert operations to oust Idi > Amin. > 37. UZBEKISTAN: Soviet Russia after 1925 killed many thousands of > Muslims and displaced many thousands more. > 38. YEMEN: More than 200,000 people lost their lives since Gamal Abdul > Nasser launched a campaign in 60s, and more than 300,000 fled to south > during two decades of hostilities created by communists in the North. > 39. ZAMBIA: The covert civil strife and AIDS has taken a great toll in > this impoverished country, and more than 500, 000 children have been > orphaned. > 40. PALESTINE: Ever since the creation of Israel, more than two million > people lost their lives in Palestine, and many millions were driven out > never to return to their homeland. > 41. KASHMIR: More than a million Muslims have lost their lives ever > since Indian occupation in 1948, and many millions became refugees. > REFUGEES: > Today the largest number of refugees in the world are the Muslims, and > no one counts the Millions of Muslims killed in Asia, Africa, Middle > East, Europe, and South East Asia but the American are erecting > Holocaust Museums all over the country to remind the brutality > experienced by six million Jews at the hands of none other than the > intolerant Christians in Europe. This led to partition of Palestine > giving most of the Arab lands to settle European Jews in 1948, and > create a permanent problem for Arabs since that time. Israel has been > used as a surrogate to fight for American interests and at war with > neighboring Muslim countries ever since that time. The recent war in > Afghanistan has created many more million refugees driven in all > directions, but majority towards Pakistan by United States and > Britain. They are not only killing Afghan Muslim through unprecedented > and relentless bombing in history but also encouraging Muslims from > North to kill other Muslims in the South especially in the Holy Month > of Ramadan. > KILLING FIELDS: > US/UK are using latest weapons technology and the heaviest bombs > (15,000 lbs), cluster bombs, and cruise missiles tipped with depleted > Uranium warheads, to kill and maim civilians without any mercy, and at > the same time dropping food packages to show their hypocrisy never seen > in the history before. Ever since the Persian Gulf War, US/UK have used > Depleted Uranium weapons that will kill millions with cancer and other > diseases, in those areas contaminated with radioactive debris that will > continue to effect life for millions of years through the killing > ionizing radiation. > This war will leave a great deal of animosity within various ethnic > groups of Muslims and a great danger for Pakistan in the future from > India with hostile Afghanistan on the West. The corrupt Muslim leaders > have been purchased by the West to kill their fellow Muslims in and > around Afghanistan. During the twentieth century Christians killed > Christians, Jews and Muslims. Muslim countries were fragmented to > create better control of the population by creating Kingdoms and > Emirates that never existed
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just one problem-it’s not on a big enough scale
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Killing of Muslims in various countries by western powers, Refugees and > the Killing Fields > 1. AFGHANISTAN: 2 million killed during Soviet invasion since 1979. Now > it’s the turn of Americans, British & Russians to kill several thousand > Talibans and their foreign helpers in 2001. More than 6 Million made > refugees. > 2. ALBANIA: Several thousand by Soviet Communists, since 1944. Hosted > 465,000 Kosovar refugees in 1999. > 3. ALGERIA: Several thousand killed during independence struggle from > France. More than 100, 000 killed since 1992, by the Secular Regime for > fear of Muslim takeover of government. > 4. ARMENIA: Several thousand Muslims killed in an enclave called > Nagorno Karabakh during 1992-93 > 5. AZERBAIJAN: Several thousand Muslims killed by Soviets since 1922. > 6. BANGLADESH: More than one million people killed by Indian/Bengali > Terrorists, and 10 million made refugees since 1970. > 7. BOSNIA-HERZOGOVINA: Several hundred thousand Muslims killed by Serbs > and Croats since 1991. > 8. CHAD: Several thousand by French since 1981. > 9. CYPRESS: Several thousand Turkish Muslims killed by Greek since > 1964. > 10. DJIBOUTI: Several thousand killed during clashes with Ethiopia > since 1976. > 11. EGYPT: Several thousand Egyptian soldiers in Sinia killed since > 1967 War by Israelis. > 12. ERITRIA: Several thousand starved and killed by Ethiopians, since > 1962. > 13. INDIA: More than 2 million by Hindus, since 1947 partition of > India. > 14. INDONESIA: More than 500,000 thousand Indonesians (mostly Muslims) > were killed since 1960 by labeling them as communists with the help > from U.S. > 15. IRAN: More than 2 million people lost their lives during Iranian > revolution and by Iraqis after 1980, with the aid of American troops > and Naval Fleet. > 16. IRAQ: The worst massacre of Muslims by American and British forces > in the history, in which 150,000 lost lives, since 1991 Persian Gulf > War. More than 7000 Iraqi soldiers sitting in trenches were buried > alive when American infantry vehicle equipped with bulldozing blades > pushed sand on them in the trenches. > 17. ISRAEL: More than 3 million Muslim Arabs have been killed since > 1920’s by Jews. > 18. JORDAN: Hosted 700,000 refugees after Iraq was encouraged by U.S. > to take over Kuwait in 1990. > 19. KAZAKHSTAN: Several thousand Muslims by Soviets since 1936. > 20. KOSOVO: Several thousand Albanian Muslims were killed by Serbs > during recent Balkan crisis in Mid 90’s, and many thousands made > refugees. > 21. KUWAIT: Several thousand Kuwaitis lost lives during Iraq’s invasion > and Gulf War since 1990. > 22. KYRGYZSTAN: Several thousand Muslims by Soviet since 1936. > 23. LEBANON: An estimated 60,000 killed by Christian Fallangistsduring > 1975-76 Civil War, and many thousands killed since Lebanon’s occupation > by Israel in 1982, including several thousand at Sabra and Shatila > Palestinian refugee camps. Israeli troops made Lebanon a killing ground > since that time. > 24. LIBYA: U.S. Air Force bombed Tripoli & Be Ghazi in 1982, and 1986, > downing a few planes, sinking two ships, and killing several hundred > civilians including the adopted daughter of Muammar Qaddafi. > 25. MOROCCO: In 1979 Morocco lost several thousand troops after > invasion of Mauritania and Western Sahara for its rich mineral > deposits. > 26. NIGERIA: U.S. tried to divide Nigeria into another oil-rich region > calling it Biafra in which several thousand lives were lost in 1967. > Because of oil covert operations in Nigeria have caused high loss of > life in Muslim areas since that time. > 27. OMAN: Although not much is heard about Oman, but U.S. has set up a > permanent military base in Oman since mid 80s, used by American and > British forces during Persian Gulf War and recent Afghan War. > 28. PAKISTAN: Although no direct involvement by Western forces, yet the > internal strife called ethnic killings is due to help given to > dissident and opposition forces by Americans, Indian and British > intelligence has led to several thousand deaths since 1970’s. > 29. PHILIPPINES: More than 120,000 Muslims living in Mindanao lost > their lives by Christians assisted by U.S. covert operations. > 30. SOMALIA: Several hundred thousands Somalis died in civil war > encouraged by Christian covert war-lords in surrounding countries > assisted by U.S. U.S. Forces killed several hundred Somalis in 1995, > just to capture one person Col. Aideed. > 31. SUDAN: more than 2 million people killed by covert operations since > 1990 and many million have been displaced. > 32. SYRIA: Ever since 1967 Six Day War, Israel has killed many thousand > Syrians along with suppression by Bathist political party, whose > founder was a Christian Arab. Syrian forces confronted Arab Philangists > in Lebanon, and many killed by Israeli Defense Forces and their > surrogates in South Lebanon Army. > 33. TANZANIA: In January 1964, Sultan was ousted. This was achieved by > revolutionary forces with the help from Western masters. In this > process Several thousand Arabs/Muslims were slaughtered. > 34. TAJIKISTAN: Soviets killed and displaced several hundred thousands > of Tajiks from 1929. Later the invasion of Afghanistan in late 80s led > to several thousand dead in war with Afghans. > 35. TURKMENISTAN: Soviets killed and displaced many thousands of > Turkmenistanis after 1925. The investment by Western/American Oil > companies is leading to killing of many in Afghanistan by Turkmen and > Tajiks in current crisis in 2001. > 36. UGANDA: From 1971 to 1979, several thousand Muslim lost their lives > when British American forces launched covert operations to oust Idi > Amin. > 37. UZBEKISTAN: Soviet Russia after 1925 killed many thousands of > Muslims and displaced many thousands more. > 38. YEMEN: More than 200,000 people lost their lives since Gamal Abdul > Nasser launched a campaign in 60s, and more than 300,000 fled to south > during two decades of hostilities created by communists in the North. > 39. ZAMBIA: The covert civil strife and AIDS has taken a great toll in > this impoverished country, and more than 500, 000 children have been > orphaned. > 40. PALESTINE: Ever since the creation of Israel, more than two million > people lost their lives in Palestine, and many millions were driven out > never to return to their homeland. > 41. KASHMIR: More than a million Muslims have lost their lives ever > since Indian occupation in 1948, and many millions became refugees. > REFUGEES: > Today the largest number of refugees in the world are the Muslims, and > no one counts the Millions of Muslims killed in Asia, Africa, Middle > East, Europe, and South East Asia but the American are erecting > Holocaust Museums all over the country to remind the brutality > experienced by six million Jews at the hands of none other than the > intolerant Christians in Europe. This led to partition of Palestine > giving most of the Arab lands to settle European Jews in 1948, and > create a permanent problem for Arabs since that time. Israel has been > used as a surrogate to fight for American interests and at war with > neighboring Muslim countries ever since that time. The recent war in > Afghanistan has created many more million refugees driven in all > directions, but majority towards Pakistan by United States and > Britain. They are not only killing Afghan Muslim through unprecedented > and relentless bombing in history but also encouraging Muslims from > North to kill other Muslims in the South especially in the Holy Month > of Ramadan. > KILLING FIELDS: > US/UK are using latest weapons technology and the heaviest bombs > (15,000 lbs), cluster bombs, and cruise missiles tipped with depleted > Uranium warheads, to kill and maim civilians without any mercy, and at > the same time dropping food packages to show their hypocrisy never seen > in the history before. Ever since the Persian Gulf War, US/UK have used > Depleted Uranium weapons that will kill millions with cancer and other > diseases, in those areas contaminated with radioactive debris that will > continue to effect life for millions of years through the killing > ionizing radiation. > This war will leave a great deal of animosity within various ethnic > groups of Muslims and a great danger for Pakistan in the future from > India with hostile Afghanistan on the West. The corrupt Muslim leaders > have been purchased by the West to kill their fellow Muslims in and > around Afghanistan. During the twentieth century Christians killed > Christians, Jews and Muslims. Muslim countries were fragmented to > create better control of the population by creating Kingdoms and > Emirates that never existed before. The beginning of new millennium > (i.e. 21st Century) has unleashed fury on Muslims unprecedented in the > history of mankind and against International law, again by joint > Christian and Jewish forces. > The first Crusade was blessed by Pope Urban II in 1096, but the recent > two Wars (1990 and 2001 – Crusades under different names) were blessed > by none other than a well known Christian Evangelist, Billy Graham. No > matter what the spin masters in Washington and London call it as "War > Against Terrorism," but in reality it is a CRUSADE against Muslims in a > disguise. Allah will never forgive Muslims who kill their fellow > Muslims to help their common enemy – Non-Muslim foreigners, hypocrites > and pagans. > REFRENCES: > 1. Kinder & Hilgermann, "The Anchor HISTORY OF WORLD," Volume 1 & 2, > Anchor > Books, Anchor Press/Doubleday, Garden city, New York, 1974. > (Paperback). > 2. The World Almanac & Book of Facts, World Almanac Books, Mahwah, New > Jersey, 2001. > 3. Rick Atkinson, "CRUSADE – The
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Killing of Muslims in various countries by western powers, Refugees and the Killing Fields 1. AFGHANISTAN: 2 million killed during Soviet invasion since 1979. Now it’s the turn of Americans, British & Russians to kill several thousand Talibans and their foreign helpers in 2001. More than 6 Million made refugees. 2. ALBANIA: Several thousand by Soviet Communists, since 1944. Hosted 465,000 Kosovar refugees in 1999. 3. ALGERIA: Several thousand killed during independence struggle from France. More than 100, 000 killed since 1992, by the Secular Regime for fear of Muslim takeover of government. 4. ARMENIA: Several thousand Muslims killed in an enclave called Nagorno Karabakh during 1992-93 5. AZERBAIJAN: Several thousand Muslims killed by Soviets since 1922. 6. BANGLADESH: More than one million people killed by Indian/Bengali Terrorists, and 10 million made refugees since 1970. 7. BOSNIA-HERZOGOVINA: Several hundred thousand Muslims killed by Serbs and Croats since 1991. 8. CHAD: Several thousand by French since 1981. 9. CYPRESS: Several thousand Turkish Muslims killed by Greek since 1964. 10. DJIBOUTI: Several thousand killed during clashes with Ethiopia since 1976. 11. EGYPT: Several thousand Egyptian soldiers in Sinia killed since 1967 War by Israelis. 12. ERITRIA: Several thousand starved and killed by Ethiopians, since 1962. 13. INDIA: More than 2 million by Hindus, since 1947 partition of India. 14. INDONESIA: More than 500,000 thousand Indonesians (mostly Muslims) were killed since 1960 by labeling them as communists with the help from U.S. 15. IRAN: More than 2 million people lost their lives during Iranian revolution and by Iraqis after 1980, with the aid of American troops and Naval Fleet. 16. IRAQ: The worst massacre of Muslims by American and British forces in the history, in which 150,000 lost lives, since 1991 Persian Gulf War. More than 7000 Iraqi soldiers sitting in trenches were buried alive when American infantry vehicle equipped with bulldozing blades pushed sand on them in the trenches. 17. ISRAEL: More than 3 million Muslim Arabs have been killed since 1920’s by Jews. 18. JORDAN: Hosted 700,000 refugees after Iraq was encouraged by U.S. to take over Kuwait in 1990. 19. KAZAKHSTAN: Several thousand Muslims by Soviets since 1936. 20. KOSOVO: Several thousand Albanian Muslims were killed by Serbs during recent Balkan crisis in Mid 90’s, and many thousands made refugees. 21. KUWAIT: Several thousand Kuwaitis lost lives during Iraq’s invasion and Gulf War since 1990. 22. KYRGYZSTAN: Several thousand Muslims by Soviet since 1936. 23. LEBANON: An estimated 60,000 killed by Christian Fallangistsduring 1975-76 Civil War, and many thousands killed since Lebanon’s occupation by Israel in 1982, including several thousand at Sabra and Shatila Palestinian refugee camps. Israeli troops made Lebanon a killing ground since that time. 24. LIBYA: U.S. Air Force bombed Tripoli & Be Ghazi in 1982, and 1986, downing a few planes, sinking two ships, and killing several hundred civilians including the adopted daughter of Muammar Qaddafi. 25. MOROCCO: In 1979 Morocco lost several thousand troops after invasion of Mauritania and Western Sahara for its rich mineral deposits. 26. NIGERIA: U.S. tried to divide Nigeria into another oil-rich region calling it Biafra in which several thousand lives were lost in 1967. Because of oil covert operations in Nigeria have caused high loss of life in Muslim areas since that time. 27. OMAN: Although not much is heard about Oman, but U.S. has set up a permanent military base in Oman since mid 80s, used by American and British forces during Persian Gulf War and recent Afghan War. 28. PAKISTAN: Although no direct involvement by Western forces, yet the internal strife called ethnic killings is due to help given to dissident and opposition forces by Americans, Indian and British intelligence has led to several thousand deaths since 1970’s. 29. PHILIPPINES: More than 120,000 Muslims living in Mindanao lost their lives by Christians assisted by U.S. covert operations. 30. SOMALIA: Several hundred thousands Somalis died in civil war encouraged by Christian covert war-lords in surrounding countries assisted by U.S. U.S. Forces killed several hundred Somalis in 1995, just to capture one person Col. Aideed. 31. SUDAN: more than 2 million people killed by covert operations since 1990 and many million have been displaced. 32. SYRIA: Ever since 1967 Six Day War, Israel has killed many thousand Syrians along with suppression by Bathist political party, whose founder was a Christian Arab. Syrian forces confronted Arab Philangists in Lebanon, and many killed by Israeli Defense Forces and their surrogates in South Lebanon Army. 33. TANZANIA: In January 1964, Sultan was ousted. This was achieved by revolutionary forces with the help from Western masters. In this process Several thousand Arabs/Muslims were slaughtered. 34. TAJIKISTAN: Soviets killed and displaced several hundred thousands of Tajiks from 1929. Later the invasion of Afghanistan in late 80s led to several thousand dead in war with Afghans. 35. TURKMENISTAN: Soviets killed and displaced many thousands of Turkmenistanis after 1925. The investment by Western/American Oil companies is leading to killing of many in Afghanistan by Turkmen and Tajiks in current crisis in 2001. 36. UGANDA: From 1971 to 1979, several thousand Muslim lost their lives when British American forces launched covert operations to oust Idi Amin. 37. UZBEKISTAN: Soviet Russia after 1925 killed many thousands of Muslims and displaced many thousands more. 38. YEMEN: More than 200,000 people lost their lives since Gamal Abdul Nasser launched a campaign in 60s, and more than 300,000 fled to south during two decades of hostilities created by communists in the North. 39. ZAMBIA: The covert civil strife and AIDS has taken a great toll in this impoverished country, and more than 500, 000 children have been orphaned. 40. PALESTINE: Ever since the creation of Israel, more than two million people lost their lives in Palestine, and many millions were driven out never to return to their homeland. 41. KASHMIR: More than a million Muslims have lost their lives ever since Indian occupation in 1948, and many millions became refugees. REFUGEES: Today the largest number of refugees in the world are the Muslims, and no one counts the Millions of Muslims killed in Asia, Africa, Middle East, Europe, and South East Asia but the American are erecting Holocaust Museums all over the country to remind the brutality experienced by six million Jews at the hands of none other than the intolerant Christians in Europe. This led to partition of Palestine giving most of the Arab lands to settle European Jews in 1948, and create a permanent problem for Arabs since that time. Israel has been used as a surrogate to fight for American interests and at war with neighboring Muslim countries ever since that time. The recent war in Afghanistan has created many more million refugees driven in all directions, but majority towards Pakistan by United States and Britain. They are not only killing Afghan Muslim through unprecedented and relentless bombing in history but also encouraging Muslims from North to kill other Muslims in the South especially in the Holy Month of Ramadan. KILLING FIELDS: US/UK are using latest weapons technology and the heaviest bombs (15,000 lbs), cluster bombs, and cruise missiles tipped with depleted Uranium warheads, to kill and maim civilians without any mercy, and at the same time dropping food packages to show their hypocrisy never seen in the history before. Ever since the Persian Gulf War, US/UK have used Depleted Uranium weapons that will kill millions with cancer and other diseases, in those areas contaminated with radioactive debris that will continue to effect life for millions of years through the killing ionizing radiation. This war will leave a great deal of animosity within various ethnic groups of Muslims and a great danger for Pakistan in the future from India with hostile Afghanistan on the West. The corrupt Muslim leaders have been purchased by the West to kill their fellow Muslims in and around Afghanistan. During the twentieth century Christians killed Christians, Jews and Muslims. Muslim countries were fragmented to create better control of the population by creating Kingdoms and Emirates that never existed before. The beginning of new millennium (i.e. 21st Century) has unleashed fury on Muslims unprecedented in the history of mankind and against International law, again by joint Christian and Jewish forces. The first Crusade was blessed by Pope Urban II in 1096, but the recent two Wars (1990 and 2001 – Crusades under different names) were blessed by none other than a well known Christian Evangelist, Billy Graham. No matter what the spin masters in Washington and London call it as "War Against Terrorism," but in reality it is a CRUSADE against Muslims in a disguise. Allah will never forgive Muslims who kill their fellow Muslims to help their common enemy – Non-Muslim foreigners, hypocrites and pagans. REFRENCES: 1. Kinder & Hilgermann, "The Anchor HISTORY OF WORLD," Volume 1 & 2, Anchor Books, Anchor Press/Doubleday, Garden city, New York, 1974. (Paperback). 2. The World Almanac & Book of Facts, World Almanac Books, Mahwah, New Jersey, 2001. 3. Rick Atkinson, "CRUSADE – The Untold Story of the Persian Gulf War," Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston, New York 1993. 4. James Bamford, "BODY OF SECRETS – Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency, from the Cold War through the Dawn of A New Century," Doubleday ( A Div. Of Random House), New York 2001. 5. William Blum, "KILLING HOPE – U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II, Common Courage Press, Monroe, ME 1995. 6. International Action Center, "METAL OF DISHONOR – Depleted Uranium: How the Pentagon Radiates Soldiers & Civilians with DU Weapons," … read more »
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They also are facing a pandemic of HIV/aids! Sad Commentary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Dear All > There was a time when Islamic Civilization was considered to be the > most advanced, tolerant and progressive Civilization in the world. > This was mainly because of their accomplishments in practically all > the disciplines of knowledge. After 16th century AD, the situation > changed drastically. Learning and inquiry was no more the motto of the > Muslims with the result that today they occupy the lowest position in > the ladder of the world. They are educationally backward, > scientifically marginal, politically insignificant and economically > poor. This is the present status of the entire Ummah amongst the > community of nations. > Moment of Thinking ! > Regards > Dr. M. Iqtedar Husain Farooqi > www.parvez-video.com
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Dear All There was a time when Islamic Civilization was considered to be the most advanced, tolerant and progressive Civilization in the world. This was mainly because of their accomplishments in practically all the disciplines of knowledge. After 16th century AD, the situation changed drastically. Learning and inquiry was no more the motto of the Muslims with the result that today they occupy the lowest position in the ladder of the world. They are educationally backward, scientifically marginal, politically insignificant and economically poor. This is the present status of the entire Ummah amongst the community of nations. Moment of Thinking ! Regards Dr. M. Iqtedar Husain Farooqi www.parvez-video.com
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Sex Diseases Threaten Half Young Americans: Studies WASHINGTON, February 25 (IslamOnline.net) – Half of the young Americans would get a sexually-transmitted disease (STD) by the age of 25, according to reports released on Tuesday, February 24. The reports, released jointly by Advocates for Youth — a non-profit group advocating sex education — and the sexual health-oriented Alan Guttmacher Institute, collected information from several different publications. In a report in the latest issue of the Perspectives on Sexual and Reproductive Health journal, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said that "approximately 18.9 million new cases of STD occurred in 2000, of which 9.1 million (48 percent) were among persons aged 15 to 24." The institute said on its website that three diseases – human papillomavirus (HPV), trichomoniasis and chlamydia – represent nine in 10 new STD infections among 15-24-year-olds. The reports argued that the U.S. administration’s policy of preferring abstinence-only education has not worked. James Wagoner, President of Advocates for Youth, said in a press release that with STDs "the stakes are just too high to talk only about abstinence" programs. "Over 27 million people between the ages of 15-24 have had sex, and they need all the facts-including medically accurate information on condoms-to protect their health," he added. "It is not surprising that teens and young adults contract a disproportionate number of infections," said Sharon Camp of the Alan Guttmacher Institute in a statement. "Most young people are sexually active, and many are ill equipped to prevent STDs or seek testing and treatment." Camp said that although abstaining from sexual activity is guaranteed to prevent STDs, some adolescents, and virtually all young adults, will eventually choose to have sex. "We need to embrace a realistic approach to sex education that includes information about abstinence and condoms because-together-they are our best defense against STDs," said Miriam Szatrowski, 24, a member of a youth panel. In a fatwa published by IslamOnline, Sheikh Faisal Mawlawi, Deputy Chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, said that "sex education in Islam is a form of imparting religious knowledge to young men or women, for them to be aware of what is required of them in matters of deen [religion] and dunya [life]." He stressed, however, that "it is not allowed under any pretext to use such sex education to sanction adultery or moral deviation by any means such as naked photos or direct description of sexual practices." More Costs New estimates suggest that the direct medical costs associated with a lifetime of treating cases of STD infection diagnosed in young people in 2000 could reach 6.5 billion dollars. The majority of that cost is due to treatment of HIV and the small percentage of HPV cases that result in cervical abnormalities or genital warts, Alan Guttmacher Institute said. In Islam, sexual relations are allowed only among the married couples. Sex outside marriage is not allowed in Islam. "If for any reason men or women are not able to marry, then they must observe abstinence. They have no other way," said Muzammil Siddiqi, former president of the Islamic Society of North America. http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2004-02/25/article08.shtml
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> Sex Diseases Threaten Half Young Americans: Studies > WASHINGTON, February 25 (IslamOnline.net) –
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>Christians have often presented their religion as a religion of love and >peace while presented Islam as a religion of war and sword.
I wonder why.. Quran: [4.56] (As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise." [22:19-22] But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning. [8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. "Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Americans who are like them." – Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, member of the Palestinian Fatwa Council "Kill a settler every day…. Shoot at settlers everywhere…. Woe to you if you let them reach their homes safely or travel safely on the roads…. I want you to kill as many settlers as possible…. Do not pay attention to what I say to the media, the television or public appearances. Pay attention only to the written instructions that you receive from me." – Yasser Arafat, addressing his people at a public event, July 2001 "I am ready to kill for the sake of my cause; wouldn’t I lie for it?" – Yasser Arafat Quran: [58:5] Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim. Sahih Muslim The Book of Faith (Kitab Al-Iman) Book 001, Number 0033: It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah. [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. [9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil). [4.74] Therefore let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world’s life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. [9:5] But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem Quran: [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. Terrorism is a logical outcome of putting the Qur’an into practice. The Qur’an promotes permanent struggle against non-Muslims – or at least until non-Muslims are converted to Islam, subjected to Islamic authority, or killed. Below is a listing of relevant verses* in the Qur’an. Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (Q. 2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q. 9: 5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax(Q. 9: 29). It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193). It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (Q.5: 34). As for the disbelievers, it says that for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (Q. 22: 9). Quran takes away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tells clearly that no other religion except Islam is accepted (Q.3: 85). It relegates those who disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5:11), calls them najis (filthy, untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). Quran prohibits a Muslim to befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is the father or the brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28). Quran asks the Muslims to strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor (Q. 25: 52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9). The holy Prophet demanded his follower to strike off the heads of the disbelievers then after making a wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives (Q. 47: 4). As for women the book of Allah says that they are inferior to men and their husbands have the right to scourge them if they are found disobedient (Q. 4:34). It teaches that women will go to hell if they are disobedient to their husbands (Q. 66:10). It maintains that men have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228). It not only denies the women’s equal right to their inheritance (Q. 4:11-12), it also regards them as imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not admissible in the court (Q. 2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot accuse her rapist unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad allowed the Muslims to marry up to four views and gave them license to sleep with their slave maids and as many captive women as they may have (Q. 4:3). He himself did just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues another nation, they call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their women. Pakistani soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971 after they massacred 3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious leader decreed that Bangladeshis are unislamic. This is why the prison guards in Islamic regime of Iran rape the women and then kill them after calling them apostates and the enemies of Allah. Islam promises hell to non-Muslims 3:85, 4:56, 5:37, 5:72, 8:55, 9:28,15:2, 21:98-100, 22:19-22, 22:56-57, 25:17-19, 25:55, 29:53-55 31:13, 6:9, 68:10-13, 72:14- 15, Islam warms against mixing with non-Muslims 2:21, 3:28, 3:118, 5:51, 5:144, 9:7, 9:28, 58:23, 60:4. Islam calls on Muslims to wage war against non-Muslims 2:191, 2:193,4:66, 4:84, 5:33, 8:12, 8:15-18, 8:39, 8:59-60,8:65, 9:2-3, 9:5, 9:14,9:29, 9:39, 9:73, 9:111, 9:123, 25:52, 37:22-23, 47:4-5, 48:29,69:30-37. Islam encourages the war against the non-Muslims by glorifying it 2:216, 9:41, 49:15, or by promising lust in paradise to the Shaheeds who die in such a war 3:142, 3:157-158, 9:20–21. One of the most important theme in the Qur’an, perhaps an indication of the preoccupation in Muhammad’s mind is that of imagery of hell and the punishment for the unbelievers. This is indicated by the huge number of Qur’anic references: al-Baqarah 2:24,119,161,166,201; Al-Imran 3:10,12,116,131,151,162,192; an-Nisa’ 4:55-56,93,97,114,121,169; al-Ma’idah 5:10,37,72,86; al-An`am 6:27,70,128-129, al-A`raf 7:18,36,38,41,50,179; al-Anfal 8:16,36,50; at-Taubah 9:17,35,49,63,68,73,81,95,109,113; Yunus 10:8,27, Hud 11:16-17,98,106,113,119; ar-Ra`d 13:5,18,35; Ibrahim 14:16,49; al-Hijr 15:43; an-Nahl 16:29,62; bani Isra’il 17:8,18,39,63,97; al-Kahf 18:29,53,100,106; Maryam 19:68,70,86; Ta Ha 20:74, al-Anbiya’ 21:39,98; al-Hajj 22:4,9,19-22,51,72; al-Mu’minun 23:103-104; an-Nur 24:57; al-Furqan 25:11-13,34,65; ash-Shu`ara’ 26:91,94; an-Naml 27:90; al-Qasas 28:41; al-`Ankabut 29:25,54,68, Luqman 31:21; as-Sajdah 32:13,20; al-Ahzab 33:64,66; Saba’ 34:12,42; al-Fatir 35:6,36; Ya Sin 36:63; as-Saffat 37:10,23,55,63,68,163; Sad 38:27,56, Sad 38:59,61,64,85; az-Zumar 39:8,16,19,32,60,71-72; al-Mu’min 40:6-7,41,43,46-47,49,60,72,76, Ha Mim Sajdah 41:19,24,28,40; ash-Shura 42:7; az-Zukhruf 43:74; ad-Dukhan 44:47,56; al-Jathiyah 45:10,34-35; al-Ahqaf 46:20,34; Muhammad 47:12,15; al-Fath 48:6,13, Qaf 50:24; adh-Dhariyat 51:13; at-Tur 52:13-16,18; al-Qamar 54:48; ar-Rahman 55:43; al-Waqi`ah 56:94; al-Hadid 57:15,19; al-Mujadilah 58:8,17; al-Hashr 59:3,17,20, , as-Saff 61:41; at-Taghabun 64:10; at-Tahrim 66:6,9-10; al-Mulk 67:5-10; al-Haqqah 69:31; al-Ma`arij 70:15, Nuh 71:25; al-Jinn 72:15,23; al-Muzammil 73:12-13; al-Mudathir 74:26-31,42; ad-Dahr 76:4; al-Mursalat 77:31; an-Naba’ 78:21; an-Nazi`at 79:36,39, at-Takwir 81:12; al-Infitar 82:14; at-Tatfif 83:16; al-Inshiqaq 84:12; al-Buruj 85:10; al-A`la 87:12; al-Ghashiyah 88:4; al-Fajr 89:23; al-Balad 90:20, al-Layl 92:14; al-Bayyinah 98:6; al-Qari`ah 101:9-11; at-Takathur 102:6; al-Humazah 104:6-9; al-Lahab 111:3 99.9% of humans will be in hell. Sahih Bukhari 004.055.567 — * * "Jihad means the conquest of non-Muslim territory. The domination * of Koranic law from one end of the … read more »
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Violence, Christianity and Islam By: Dr. Ahmad Shafaat Christians have often presented their religion as a religion of love and peace while presented Islam as a religion of war and sword. In the modern media Muslims and Islam have often been covered in a way which reinforces this old perception. For Muslims who have time to think about such things the Christian and Western perceptions appear as a complete disregard of the most obvious facts. In what follows I discuss this issue from the point of view of the teachings of the two religions as well as the conduct of their adherents through history. Christian conduct For centuries now Christian nations have been busy beating up one Muslim nation or another. In the Middle Ages they came as crusaders. Then they colonized many Muslim countries and tried to destroy their cultures and religion. During their struggle for independence some Muslims had to suffer terrible violence. The French killed about a million Muslims in Algeria because they wanted independence. In a way this French war against Islam and Muslims is still continuing through the support of the military dictatorship in Algeria against the Muslim party that was set to win elections and persecutions in France of Muslim men with beards and Muslim women with hijab. The USA and Britain killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis (with the approval of about 90% of their people) without letting the world see the blood, thus practicing a lesson learned during the Vietnam war. Serbs have killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims and raped thousands of women in Bosnia and Kosovo. Although in these lands, a combination of rare circumstances put the West (USA and Western Europe) on the side of the Muslims, this did no good to them because the Western powers did not want to loose any of their own soldiers. Had the West left the Muslim Bosnians and ethnic Albanians to their fate without putting an arms embargo on them, their suffering would not have been any greater. Israel has been for half a century destroying the Palestinian people with the help of arms and financial and moral support provided by the USA, the very sort of crimes that have been committed by the Serbs against the people of Kosovo and which have been condemned by the West, even though there were no cameras to record the cries of the Palestinians and photograph the pictures of the massacred people and burning homes. In Lebanon when Christians were in the majority there was war, but now that the Muslims are in the majority there is peace except in the south of the country where Christians have been helping a foreign enemy against their own countrymen. When an American president needs to divert his people’s attention away from his sex scandal the easiest thing he finds is to bomb Muslim countries — Afghanistan, Sudan and Iraq — because he knows that this will be approved by a vast majority of his people. And then there is the media which is ever busy in maligning the Muslims while they do not at this point in time possess the resources to speak up: for every word spoken/written by a Muslim and heard/read by one person, a thousand words from a Christian are received by a thousand persons in the world. At the international level the voices of the Muslims are all but drowned by the Christian voices and those Christian voices are for the most part condemnatory. If a cartoonist was to depict the situation between the Western and Muslim civilizations, he or she will draw a weaker person not able or inclined to stand up or to speak while another stronger person is standing over him with a big stick, now and then beating him, and all the while shouting to him in a loud voice: you are a violent man. It is important for both Muslims and Christians to ask: What will the Christian be if the tables were turned and their lands were first colonized by Muslims and then bombed or maligned or ethnically cleansed? If the past is any guide, the answer is clear: There will be a vicious reaction and given the chance an attempt at almost total destruction of the Muslims. For in Spain Muslims lived for about 850 years as rulers. They lived with Jews and Christians for the most part in a spirit of tolerance and cooperation in promoting science and culture to the point that their work prepared for the modern scientific revolution with all its benefits for mankind. But the moment Muslims became weaker, the hate in the Catholic heart came out with a vengeance. Muslims were either killed, converted, or forced to leave Spain and their heritage was as fully destroyed as was humanly possible. Before Palestine and Kosovo, there was Spain. Above, I have mentioned only what the Christian nations have been doing or are doing to the Muslims. But when we look at what they have done to each other or to other people any validity in their claim of being people of love and peace vanishes, at least as far as Western Protestant or Catholic Christians are concerned. The horrible treatment of the heretics and witches in the Middle Ages probably inspired the tyrants of later centuries. The native peoples of the Americas, Australia, and New Zealand bear a tragic witness to what Christian nations can do to other nations and with the blessings and assistance of Christian churches. In this century alone the Western nations have fought two world wars with tens of millions dead and untold misery for the living. For each victory in these two wars the church bells rang in the victorious countries. The first nation to make a weapon of mass destruction and the only one to use it is a Christian nation. Had not the toll of death mounted too high for the Americans there can be little doubt that the fate of North Vietnam would have been like that of Iraq: it would have been bombed to submission no matter how many Vietnamese lives would have been lost. The lesson learned in North Vietnam was not that there should be no more war but that never again the American casualties would be allowed to mount so high and never again the cameras would be allowed to get so near the horrors of war that a backlash against the war would be created in the public. Often Christian countries have some hand even in the violent conflicts in non-Christian countries in Africa and Asia. The colonial policy of divide and rule sowed seeds of conflicts that later resulted in violence between the groups that the colonial powers turned against one another. Palestinian-Jewish conflict and the Kashmir issue are among the legacy of colonialism. After the colonial period interference by the Western countries continued in the internal affairs of African and Asian countries. More recently, Iran-Iraq war was encouraged by the West so that the Islamic revolution in Iran may not spread to the Arabian peninsula. The military government in Algeria which cancelled the elections that Muslims were poised to win has the support of France and this support is partly responsible for the violence there, which, it seems, is mostly done by the military. In Rwanda the tribe that perpetuated a holocaust of another tribe follows the Catholic religion. The most cruel tyrant in history came from a Christian country and there has been no shortage of other somewhat less ruthless dictators in Christian countries, especially in South America and Africa. Even in terrorism, associated in the media mostly with the Muslims, it is the Christians that hold the record when it comes to the number of children and other innocent people killed. The Oklahoma bombing, carried out by people professing to be Christians, claimed more completely innocent victims than any other single act of terrorism. Terrorism in Northern Ireland which is a direct result of a sectarian conflict between Catholics and Protestants and is often supported by the religious leaders, has probably killed more children and innocent people than Middle East terrorism. Moreover, Muslim terrorism is mostly linked to the sort of unjust treatment suffered by the Palestinians whereas the Oklahoma bombing and, to a lesser degree, Irish terrorism is difficult to link in such a way. Now and then there appear religious sects whose beliefs lead them to violence. David Koreish armed his followers to teeth and led them to their violent death. There seem to exist several Millennium groups who are planning to engage in violence around the year 2000. Several doctors have been murdered by anti-abortionists and some Catholic leaders have not categorically condemned these killings. In some cases the violent impulses in Christian groups turn against the groups themselves. Jim Jones led hundreds of his followers to commit suicide. Then there is racial violence, by no means dissociated from Christianity. Black churches have been burned in America and recently some Americans tied a black man with a rope and dragged him by their truck until he died. Such acts are often carried out by members of groups who also carry crosses. And in South Africa the inhuman system of apartheid was maintained by the church-going white community with the blessing of the churches and indeed the apartheid was practiced by the churches themselves. At an individual level, too, most horrible examples of violence are seen in the Western Christian nations. In some American and British cities a car driver may take out his gun and shoot senselessly whoever happens to be passing by. There are many cases of church-going and Christmas-celebrating serial killers who are privately busy sexually attacking young men or women, killing them in the most horrible way, and then burying them in their backyards. Also, prior to the media focus on churches cases of gross sexual and other abuse of orphans by the Catholic priests and brothers were not infrequent. And there are even larger number of examples of church-going parents who torture their children to death or to destroy them mentally by incestuous relations. In one such case, an American father recently killed his son … read more »
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Hey Abu Alfalfa, you seem to be ignoring the fact that conflict between Christian and Muslim states started when the second Caliph `Umar launched his expansionist unprovoked aggressive imperialist colonialist invasions against the Christian Byzantine empire — not to mention that Muslims were overall more aggressive and successful in attacking Christians than Christians were aggressive and successful in attacking Muslims for a 1,050-year period from 634 A.D. to 1683 A.D.! P.S. I’ve now added some commentary on the Arabic error in the e-mail address of your new phoney pseudonymic Usenet alias to page http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/abulwafa.htm (scroll a few screens down from the top of the page). — المتبرجة خير من الإرهابي المنتحر Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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Hi friends You seem to be dreaming amigo. The Romans and the Roman Empire were not nice guys. They were like the West today a band of empirialist invaders looking to exploit less important peoples and leave them to famine and AIDS as they did in Africa, for example. They did not go to the Middle East through the democratic process. It was Rome who crucified Jesus Christ and destroyed the Holy Temple in Jerusalem at 70 AD. The true followers of Jesus were litterally thrown into gail and given to hungry dogs to eat their bodies. Sounds like Guantanamo Bay and Abu Graib to me!??? They only setup their Roman Church after they ethnically cleansed any remains of Jesus and his true followers. It was a total surprise to them that the liberation of the Holy land and the re establishmnt of the Kingdom of God on earth, ( the announcing of which was the primary reason for Jesus’s ministry) came from the Desert. I hope that answers some of the confusion you have in your mind between true Christianity and the Roman Church. Shalom
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How quickly you change the topic!! There is no denying the spread of Islam by the sword. There is also no denying that Mohammed ordered the murders of countless innocent people. The early days of Islam were bloody ones. Muslims killings muslims. Muslims killing apostates. Muslims killing Jews. It is a violent history. Mohammed killed those who disagreed with him. He attacked innocent communites, killed their men, raped their women. It is all documented by Islamic sources who were under the threat of death if they spoke against Mohammed or the Quran. You can’t argue the facts. Jim al-Hallerud
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Violence, Christianity and Islam By: Dr. Ahmad Shafaat Christians have often presented their religion as a religion of love and peace while presented Islam as a religion of war and sword. In the modern media Muslims and Islam have often been covered in a way which reinforces this old perception. For Muslims who have time to think about such things the Christian and Western perceptions appear as a complete disregard of the most obvious facts. In what follows I discuss this issue from the point of view of the teachings of the two religions as well as the conduct of their adherents through history. For centuries now Christian nations have been busy beating up one Muslim nation or another. In the Middle Ages they came as crusaders. Then they colonized many Muslim countries and tried to destroy their cultures and religion. During their struggle for independence some Muslims had to suffer terrible violence. The French killed about a million Muslims in Algeria because they wanted independence. In a way this French war against Islam and Muslims is still continuing through the support of the military dictatorship in Algeria against the Muslim party that was set to win elections and persecutions in France of Muslim men with beards and Muslim women with hijab. The USA and Britain killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis (with the approval of about 90% of their people) without letting the world see the blood, thus practicing a lesson learned during the Vietnam war. Serbs have killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims and raped thousands of women in Bosnia and Kosovo. Although in these lands, a combination of rare circumstances put the West (USA and Western Europe) on the side of the Muslims, this did no good to them because the Western powers did not want to loose any of their own soldiers. Had the West left the Muslim Bosnians and ethnic Albanians to their fate without putting an arms embargo on them, their suffering would not have been any greater. Israel has been for half a century destroying the Palestinian people with the help of arms and financial and moral support provided by the USA, the very sort of crimes that have been committed by the Serbs against the people of Kosovo and which have been condemned by the West, even though there were no cameras to record the cries of the Palestinians and photograph the pictures of the massacred people and burning homes. In Lebanon when Christians were in the majority there was war, but now that the Muslims are in the majority there is peace except in the south of the country where Christians have been helping a foreign enemy against their own countrymen. When an American president needs to divert his people’s attention away from his sex scandal the easiest thing he finds is to bomb Muslim countries — Afghanistan, Sudan and Iraq — because he knows that this will be approved by a vast majority of his people. And then there is the media which is ever busy in maligning the Muslims while they do not at this point in time possess the resources to speak up: for every word spoken/written by a Muslim and heard/read by one person, a thousand words from a Christian are received by a thousand persons in the world. At the international level the voices of the Muslims are all but drowned by the Christian voices and those Christian voices are for the most part condemnatory. If a cartoonist was to depict the situation between the Western and Muslim civilizations, he or she will draw a weaker person not able or inclined to stand up or to speak while another stronger person is standing over him with a big stick, now and then beating him, and all the while shouting to him in a loud voice: you are a violent man. It is important for both Muslims and Christians to ask: What will the Christian be if the tables were turned and their lands were first colonized by Muslims and then bombed or maligned or ethnically cleansed? If the past is any guide, the answer is clear: There will be a vicious reaction and given the chance an attempt at almost total destruction of the Muslims. For in Spain Muslims lived for about 850 years as rulers. They lived with Jews and Christians for the most part in a spirit of tolerance and cooperation in promoting science and culture to the point that their work prepared for the modern scientific revolution with all its benefits for mankind. But the moment Muslims became weaker, the hate in the Catholic heart came out with a vengeance. Muslims were either killed, converted, or forced to leave Spain and their heritage was as fully destroyed as was humanly possible. Before Palestine and Kosovo, there was Spain. Above, I have mentioned only what the Christian nations have been doing or are doing to the Muslims. But when we look at what they have done to each other or to other people any validity in their claim of being people of love and peace vanishes, at least as far as Western Protestant or Catholic Christians are concerned. The horrible treatment of the heretics and witches in the Middle Ages probably inspired the tyrants of later centuries. The native peoples of the Americas, Australia, and New Zealand bear a tragic witness to what Christian nations can do to other nations and with the blessings and assistance of Christian churches. In this century alone the Western nations have fought two world wars with tens of millions dead and untold misery for the living. For each victory in these two wars the church bells rang in the victorious countries. The first nation to make a weapon of mass destruction and the only one to use it is a Christian nation. Had not the toll of death mounted too high for the Americans there can be little doubt that the fate of North Vietnam would have been like that of Iraq: it would have been bombed to submission no matter how many Vietnamese lives would have been lost. The lesson learned in North Vietnam was not that there should be no more war but that never again the American casualties would be allowed to mount so high and never again the cameras would be allowed to get so near the horrors of war that a backlash against the war would be created in the public. Often Christian countries have some hand even in the violent conflicts in non-Christian countries in Africa and Asia. The colonial policy of divide and rule sowed seeds of conflicts that later resulted in violence between the groups that the colonial powers turned against one another. Palestinian-Jewish conflict and the Kashmir issue are among the legacy of colonialism. After the colonial period interference by the Western countries continued in the internal affairs of African and Asian countries. More recently, Iran-Iraq war was encouraged by the West so that the Islamic revolution in Iran may not spread to the Arabian peninsula. The military government in Algeria which cancelled the elections that Muslims were poised to win has the support of France and this support is partly responsible for the violence there, which, it seems, is mostly done by the military. In Rwanda the tribe that perpetuated a holocaust of another tribe follows the Catholic religion. The most cruel tyrant in history came from a Christian country and there has been no shortage of other somewhat less ruthless dictators in Christian countries, especially in South America and Africa. Even in terrorism, associated in the media mostly with the Muslims, it is the Christians that hold the record when it comes to the number of children and other innocent people killed. The Oklahoma bombing, carried out by people professing to be Christians, claimed more completely innocent victims than any other single act of terrorism. Terrorism in Northern Ireland which is a direct result of a sectarian conflict between Catholics and Protestants and is often supported by the religious leaders, has probably killed more children and innocent people than Middle East terrorism. Moreover, Muslim terrorism is mostly linked to the sort of unjust treatment suffered by the Palestinians whereas the Oklahoma bombing and, to a lesser degree, Irish terrorism is difficult to link in such a way. Now and then there appear religious sects whose beliefs lead them to violence. David Koreish armed his followers to teeth and led them to their violent death. There seem to exist several Millennium groups who are planning to engage in violence around the year 2000. Several doctors have been murdered by anti-abortionists and some Catholic leaders have not categorically condemned these killings. In some cases the violent impulses in Christian groups turn against the groups themselves. Jim Jones led hundreds of his followers to commit suicide. Then there is racial violence, by no means dissociated from Christianity. Black churches have been burned in America and recently some Americans tied a black man with a rope and dragged him by their truck until he died. Such acts are often carried out by members of groups who also carry crosses. And in South Africa the inhuman system of apartheid was maintained by the church-going white community with the blessing of the churches and indeed the apartheid was practiced by the churches themselves. At an individual level, too, most horrible examples of violence are seen in the Western Christian nations. In some American and British cities a car driver may take out his gun and shoot senselessly whoever happens to be passing by. There are many cases of church-going and Christmas-celebrating serial killers who are privately busy sexually attacking young men or women, killing them in the most horrible way, and then burying them in their backyards. Also, prior to the media focus on churches cases of gross sexual and other abuse of orphans by the Catholic priests and brothers were not infrequent. And there are even larger number of examples of church-going parents who torture their children to death or to destroy them mentally by incestuous relations. In one such case, an American father recently killed his son by injecting him … read more »
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> Violence, Christianity and Islam > By Dr. Ahmad Shafaat, 1983 > … > For centuries now Christian nations have been busy beating up one > Muslim nation or another. In the Middle Ages they came as crusaders. > … > Israel has been for half a century destroying the Palestinian people > with the help of arms and financial and moral support provided by the > USA. >…
Same old song and dance. Muslims never seem to get over this one-sided view of History. Muslims do no wrong Jews and Christians do no good. Generations of brainwashing keeps the Fascism alive and well.
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your post says that Violence, Christianity and Islam > By Dr. Ahmad Shafaat, 1983
i assume 1983 is when the article was written rather than when the Dr Shafaat was born he states that Israel has been for half a century destroying the Palestinian people > with the help of arms and financial and moral support provided by the > USA
if he wrote this in 1983 than this whole article is bullshit because there was no Israel till 1948 so the time diffrence between 1948 and 1983 is 35 years only he then goes on to say When an American president > needs to divert his people’s attention away from his sex scandal the > easiest thing he finds is to bomb Muslim countries — Afghanistan, > Sudan and Iraq — because he knows that this will be approved by a vast > majority of his people.
this didnt happen till 20 years later so the good doctor must be nostradamus maybe he can tell us whats going to happen next this whole article if full of bullshit and inaccuracies and dumb muslims who read and believe this crap like yourself cause the problems for real muslims
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Violence, Christianity and Islam > By Dr. Ahmad Shafaat, 1983 > Christians have often presented their religion as a religion of love > and peace while presented Islam as a religion of war and sword. In the > modern media Muslims and Islam have often been covered in a way which > reinforces this old perception. For Muslims who have time to think > about such things the Christian and Western perceptions appear as a > complete disregard of the most obvious facts. In what follows I discuss > this issue from the point of view of the teachings of the two religions > as well as the conduct of their adherents through history. > Christian conduct > For centuries now Christian nations have been busy beating up one > Muslim nation or another. In the Middle Ages they came as crusaders. > Then they colonized many Muslim countries and tried to destroy their > cultures and religion. During their struggle for independence some > Muslims had to suffer terrible violence. The French killed about a > million Muslims in Algeria because they wanted independence. In a way > this French war against Islam and Muslims is still continuing through > the support of the military dictatorship in Algeria against the Muslim > party that was set to win elections and persecutions in France of > Muslim men with beards and Muslim women with hijab. The USA and Britain > killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis (with the approval of about 90% > of their people) without letting the world see the blood, thus > practicing a lesson learned during the Vietnam war. Serbs have killed > hundreds of thousands of Muslims and raped thousands of women in Bosnia > and Kosovo. Although in these lands, a combination of rare > circumstances put the West (USA and Western Europe) on the side of the > Muslims, this did no good to them because the Western powers did not > want to loose any of their own soldiers. Had the West left the Muslim > Bosnians and ethnic Albanians to their fate without putting an arms > embargo on them, their suffering would not have been any greater. > Israel has been for half a century destroying the Palestinian people > with the help of arms and financial and moral support provided by the > USA, the very sort of crimes that have been committed by the Serbs > against the people of Kosovo and which have been condemned by the West, > even though there were no cameras to record the cries of the > Palestinians and photograph the pictures of the massacred people and > burning homes. In Lebanon when Christians were in the majority there > was war, but now that the Muslims are in the majority there is peace > except in the south of the country where Christians have been helping a > foreign enemy against their own countrymen. When an American president > needs to divert his people’s attention away from his sex scandal the > easiest thing he finds is to bomb Muslim countries — Afghanistan, > Sudan and Iraq — because he knows that this will be approved by a vast > majority of his people. And then there is the media which is ever busy > in maligning the Muslims while they do not at this point in time > possess the resources to speak up: for every word spoken/written by a > Muslim and heard/read by one person, a thousand words from a Christian > are received by a thousand persons in the world. At the international > level the voices of the Muslims are all but drowned by the Christian > voices and those Christian voices are for the most part condemnatory. > If a cartoonist was to depict the situation between the Western and > Muslim civilizations, he or she will draw a weaker person not able or > inclined to stand up or to speak while another stronger person is > standing over him with a big stick, now and then beating him, and all > the while shouting to him in a loud voice: you are a violent man. > It is important for both Muslims and Christians to ask: What will the > Christian be if the tables were turned and their lands were first > colonized by Muslims and then bombed or maligned or ethnically > cleansed? If the past is any guide, the answer is clear: There will be > a vicious reaction and given the chance an attempt at almost total > destruction of the Muslims. For in Spain Muslims lived for about 850 > years as rulers. They lived with Jews and Christians for the most part > in a spirit of tolerance and cooperation in promoting science and > culture to the point that their work prepared for the modern scientific > revolution with all its benefits for mankind. But the moment Muslims > became weaker, the hate in the Catholic heart came out with a > vengeance. Muslims were either killed, converted, or forced to leave > Spain and their heritage was as fully destroyed as was humanly > possible. Before Palestine and Kosovo, there was Spain. > Above, I have mentioned only what the Christian nations have been doing > or are doing to the Muslims. But when we look at what they have done to > each other or to other people any validity in their claim of being > people of love and peace vanishes, at least as far as Western > Protestant or Catholic Christians are concerned. The horrible treatment > of the heretics and witches in the Middle Ages probably inspired the > tyrants of later centuries. The native peoples of the Americas, > Australia, and New Zealand bear a tragic witness to what Christian > nations can do to other nations and with the blessings and assistance > of Christian churches. In this century alone the Western nations have > fought two world wars with tens of millions dead and untold misery for > the living. For each victory in these two wars the church bells rang in > the victorious countries. The first nation to make a weapon of mass > destruction and the only one to use it is a Christian nation. > Had not the toll of death mounted too high for the Americans there can > be little doubt that the fate of North Vietnam would have been like > that of Iraq: it would have been bombed to submission no matter how > many Vietnamese lives would have been lost. The lesson learned in North > Vietnam was not that there should be no more war but that never again > the American casualties would be allowed to mount so high and never > again the cameras would be allowed to get so near the horrors of war > that a backlash against the war would be created in the public. Often > Christian countries have some hand even in the violent conflicts in > non-Christian countries in Africa and Asia. The colonial policy of > divide and rule sowed seeds of conflicts that later resulted in > violence between the groups that the colonial powers turned against one > another. Palestinian-Jewish conflict and the Kashmir issue are among > the legacy of colonialism. After the colonial period interference by > the Western countries continued in the internal affairs of African and > Asian countries. More recently, Iran-Iraq war was encouraged by the > West so that the Islamic revolution in Iran may not spread to the > Arabian peninsula. The military government in Algeria which cancelled > the elections that Muslims were poised to win has the support of France > and this support is partly responsible for the violence there, which, > it seems, is mostly done by the military. > In Rwanda the tribe that perpetuated a holocaust of another tribe > follows the Catholic religion. The most cruel tyrant in history came > from a Christian country and there has been no shortage of other > somewhat less ruthless dictators in Christian countries, especially in > South America and Africa. > Even in terrorism, associated in the media mostly with the Muslims, it > is the Christians that hold the record when it comes to the number of > children and other innocent people killed. The Oklahoma bombing, > carried out by people professing to be Christians, claimed more > completely innocent victims than any other single act of terrorism. > Terrorism in Northern Ireland which is a direct result of a sectarian > conflict between Catholics and Protestants and is often supported by > the religious leaders, has probably killed more children and innocent > people than Middle East terrorism. Moreover, Muslim terrorism is mostly > linked to the sort of unjust treatment suffered by the Palestinians > whereas the Oklahoma bombing and, to a lesser degree, Irish terrorism > is difficult to link in such a way. > Now and then there appear religious sects whose beliefs lead them to > violence. David Koreish armed his followers to teeth and led them to > their violent death. There seem to exist several Millennium groups who > are planning to engage in violence around the year 2000. Several > doctors have been murdered by anti-abortionists and some Catholic > leaders have not categorically condemned these killings. In some
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There wasn’t any Muslim-vs.-Christian violence until the second caliph `Umar launched his unprovoked aggressive expansionist imperialist colonialist attacks against the Christian Byzantine (eastern Roman) empire in the 630’s A.D. Tell me, are you now apologizing for Caliph Umar’s imperialistic adventurism (which put Cecil Rhodes’ imperialistic adventurism to shame), Abu Alfalfa??? I thought not! Then why do you expect anybody to apologize to you, if you’re not willing to take historic responsibility for the actions of your own "side"? — The non-Dhimmi affirmation (9:29): لن نعطي الجزية ولسنا صاغرين (٢٩ We will fight for our freedom! Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
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now for a real view of the muslim problem. http://www.truthandgrace.com/Christianlove.htm
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do us all a favour JIZZ WAD and detonate a suicide belt in your own house
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Violence, Christianity and Islam > By Dr. Ahmad Shafaat, 1983 > Christians have often presented their religion as a religion of love > and peace while presented Islam as a religion of war and sword. In the > modern media Muslims and Islam have often been covered in a way which > reinforces this old perception. For Muslims who have time to think > about such things the Christian and Western perceptions appear as a > complete disregard of the most obvious facts. In what follows I discuss > this issue from the point of view of the teachings of the two religions > as well as the conduct of their adherents through history. > Christian conduct > For centuries now Christian nations have been busy beating up one > Muslim nation or another. In the Middle Ages they came as crusaders. > Then they colonized many Muslim countries and tried to destroy their > cultures and religion. During their struggle for independence some > Muslims had to suffer terrible violence. The French killed about a > million Muslims in Algeria because they wanted independence. In a way > this French war against Islam and Muslims is still continuing through > the support of the military dictatorship in Algeria against the Muslim > party that was set to win elections and persecutions in France of > Muslim men with beards and Muslim women with hijab. The USA and Britain > killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis (with the approval of about 90% > of their people) without letting the world see the blood, thus > practicing a lesson learned during the Vietnam war. Serbs have killed > hundreds of thousands of Muslims and raped thousands of women in Bosnia > and Kosovo. Although in these lands, a combination of rare > circumstances put the West (USA and Western Europe) on the side of the > Muslims, this did no good to them because the Western powers did not > want to loose any of their own soldiers. Had the West left the Muslim > Bosnians and ethnic Albanians to their fate without putting an arms > embargo on them, their suffering would not have been any greater. > Israel has been for half a century destroying the Palestinian people > with the help of arms and financial and moral support provided by the > USA, the very sort of crimes that have been committed by the Serbs > against the people of Kosovo and which have been condemned by the West, > even though there were no cameras to record the cries of the > Palestinians and photograph the pictures of the massacred people and > burning homes. In Lebanon when Christians were in the majority there > was war, but now that the Muslims are in the majority there is peace > except in the south of the country where Christians have been helping a > foreign enemy against their own countrymen. When an American president > needs to divert his people’s attention away from his sex scandal the > easiest thing he finds is to bomb Muslim countries — Afghanistan, > Sudan and Iraq — because he knows that this will be approved by a vast > majority of his people. And then there is the media which is ever busy > in maligning the Muslims while they do not at this point in time > possess the resources to speak up: for every word spoken/written by a > Muslim and heard/read by one person, a thousand words from a Christian > are received by a thousand persons in the world. At the international > level the voices of the Muslims are all but drowned by the Christian > voices and those Christian voices are for the most part condemnatory. > If a cartoonist was to depict the situation between the Western and > Muslim civilizations, he or she will draw a weaker person not able or > inclined to stand up or to speak while another stronger person is > standing over him with a big stick, now and then beating him, and all > the while shouting to him in a loud voice: you are a violent man. > It is important for both Muslims and Christians to ask: What will the > Christian be if the tables were turned and their lands were first > colonized by Muslims and then bombed or maligned or ethnically > cleansed? If the past is any guide, the answer is clear: There will be > a vicious reaction and given the chance an attempt at almost total > destruction of the Muslims. For in Spain Muslims lived for about 850 > years as rulers. They lived with Jews and Christians for the most part > in a spirit of tolerance and cooperation in promoting science and > culture to the point that their work prepared for the modern scientific > revolution with all its benefits for mankind. But the moment Muslims > became weaker, the hate in the Catholic heart came out with a > vengeance. Muslims were either killed, converted, or forced to leave > Spain and their heritage was as fully destroyed as was humanly > possible. Before Palestine and Kosovo, there was Spain. > Above, I have mentioned only what the Christian nations have been doing > or are doing to the Muslims. But when we look at what they have done to > each other or to other people any validity in their claim of being > people of love and peace vanishes, at least as far as Western > Protestant or Catholic Christians are concerned. The horrible treatment > of the heretics and witches in the Middle Ages probably inspired the > tyrants of later centuries. The native peoples of the Americas, > Australia, and New Zealand bear a tragic witness to what Christian > nations can do to other nations and with the blessings and assistance > of Christian churches. In this century alone the Western nations have > fought two world wars with tens of millions dead and untold misery for > the living. For each victory in these two wars the church bells rang in > the victorious countries. The first nation to make a weapon of mass > destruction and the only one to use it is a Christian nation. > Had not the toll of death mounted too high for the Americans there can > be little doubt that the fate of North Vietnam would have been like > that of Iraq: it would have been bombed to submission no matter how > many Vietnamese lives would have been lost. The lesson learned in North > Vietnam was not that there should be no more war but that never again > the American casualties would be allowed to mount so high and never > again the cameras would be allowed to get so near the horrors of war > that a backlash against the war would be created in the public. Often > Christian countries have some hand even in the violent conflicts in > non-Christian countries in Africa and Asia. The colonial policy of > divide and rule sowed seeds of conflicts that later resulted in > violence between the groups that the colonial powers turned against one > another. Palestinian-Jewish conflict and the Kashmir issue are among > the legacy of colonialism. After the colonial period interference by > the Western countries continued in the internal affairs of African and > Asian countries. More recently, Iran-Iraq war was encouraged by the > West so that the Islamic revolution in Iran may not spread to the > Arabian peninsula. The military government in Algeria which cancelled > the elections that Muslims were poised to win has the support of France > and this support is partly responsible for the violence there, which, > it seems, is mostly done by the military. > In Rwanda the tribe that perpetuated a holocaust of another tribe > follows the Catholic religion. The most cruel tyrant in history came > from a Christian country and there has been no shortage of other > somewhat less ruthless dictators in Christian countries, especially in > South America and Africa. > Even in terrorism, associated in the media mostly with the Muslims, it > is the Christians that hold the record when it comes to the number of > children and other innocent people killed. The Oklahoma bombing, > carried out by people professing to be Christians, claimed more > completely innocent victims than any other single act of terrorism. > Terrorism in Northern Ireland which is a direct result of a sectarian > conflict between Catholics and Protestants and is often supported by > the religious leaders, has probably killed more children and innocent > people than Middle East terrorism. Moreover, Muslim terrorism is mostly > linked to the sort of unjust treatment suffered by the Palestinians > whereas the Oklahoma bombing and, to a lesser degree, Irish terrorism > is difficult to link in such a way. > Now and then there appear religious sects whose beliefs lead them to > violence. David Koreish armed his followers to teeth and led them to > their violent death. There seem to exist several Millennium groups who > are planning to engage in violence around the year 2000. Several > doctors have been murdered by anti-abortionists and some Catholic > leaders have not categorically condemned these killings. In some cases > the violent impulses in Christian groups turn against the groups > themselves. Jim Jones led hundreds of his followers to commit suicide. > Then there is racial violence, by no means dissociated from > Christianity. Black churches have been burned in America and recently > some Americans tied a black man with a rope and dragged him by their > truck until he died. Such acts are often carried out by members of > groups who also carry crosses. And in South Africa the inhuman system > of apartheid was maintained by the church-going white community with > the blessing of the churches and indeed the apartheid was practiced by > the churches themselves. > At an individual level, too, most horrible examples of violence are > seen in the Western Christian nations. In some American and British > cities a car driver may take out his gun and shoot senselessly whoever > happens to be passing by. There are many cases of church-going and > Christmas-celebrating serial killers who are
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Violence, Christianity and Islam By Dr. Ahmad Shafaat, 1983 Christians have often presented their religion as a religion of love and peace while presented Islam as a religion of war and sword. In the modern media Muslims and Islam have often been covered in a way which reinforces this old perception. For Muslims who have time to think about such things the Christian and Western perceptions appear as a complete disregard of the most obvious facts. In what follows I discuss this issue from the point of view of the teachings of the two religions as well as the conduct of their adherents through history. Christian conduct For centuries now Christian nations have been busy beating up one Muslim nation or another. In the Middle Ages they came as crusaders. Then they colonized many Muslim countries and tried to destroy their cultures and religion. During their struggle for independence some Muslims had to suffer terrible violence. The French killed about a million Muslims in Algeria because they wanted independence. In a way this French war against Islam and Muslims is still continuing through the support of the military dictatorship in Algeria against the Muslim party that was set to win elections and persecutions in France of Muslim men with beards and Muslim women with hijab. The USA and Britain killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis (with the approval of about 90% of their people) without letting the world see the blood, thus practicing a lesson learned during the Vietnam war. Serbs have killed hundreds of thousands of Muslims and raped thousands of women in Bosnia and Kosovo. Although in these lands, a combination of rare circumstances put the West (USA and Western Europe) on the side of the Muslims, this did no good to them because the Western powers did not want to loose any of their own soldiers. Had the West left the Muslim Bosnians and ethnic Albanians to their fate without putting an arms embargo on them, their suffering would not have been any greater. Israel has been for half a century destroying the Palestinian people with the help of arms and financial and moral support provided by the USA, the very sort of crimes that have been committed by the Serbs against the people of Kosovo and which have been condemned by the West, even though there were no cameras to record the cries of the Palestinians and photograph the pictures of the massacred people and burning homes. In Lebanon when Christians were in the majority there was war, but now that the Muslims are in the majority there is peace except in the south of the country where Christians have been helping a foreign enemy against their own countrymen. When an American president needs to divert his people’s attention away from his sex scandal the easiest thing he finds is to bomb Muslim countries — Afghanistan, Sudan and Iraq — because he knows that this will be approved by a vast majority of his people. And then there is the media which is ever busy in maligning the Muslims while they do not at this point in time possess the resources to speak up: for every word spoken/written by a Muslim and heard/read by one person, a thousand words from a Christian are received by a thousand persons in the world. At the international level the voices of the Muslims are all but drowned by the Christian voices and those Christian voices are for the most part condemnatory. If a cartoonist was to depict the situation between the Western and Muslim civilizations, he or she will draw a weaker person not able or inclined to stand up or to speak while another stronger person is standing over him with a big stick, now and then beating him, and all the while shouting to him in a loud voice: you are a violent man. It is important for both Muslims and Christians to ask: What will the Christian be if the tables were turned and their lands were first colonized by Muslims and then bombed or maligned or ethnically cleansed? If the past is any guide, the answer is clear: There will be a vicious reaction and given the chance an attempt at almost total destruction of the Muslims. For in Spain Muslims lived for about 850 years as rulers. They lived with Jews and Christians for the most part in a spirit of tolerance and cooperation in promoting science and culture to the point that their work prepared for the modern scientific revolution with all its benefits for mankind. But the moment Muslims became weaker, the hate in the Catholic heart came out with a vengeance. Muslims were either killed, converted, or forced to leave Spain and their heritage was as fully destroyed as was humanly possible. Before Palestine and Kosovo, there was Spain. Above, I have mentioned only what the Christian nations have been doing or are doing to the Muslims. But when we look at what they have done to each other or to other people any validity in their claim of being people of love and peace vanishes, at least as far as Western Protestant or Catholic Christians are concerned. The horrible treatment of the heretics and witches in the Middle Ages probably inspired the tyrants of later centuries. The native peoples of the Americas, Australia, and New Zealand bear a tragic witness to what Christian nations can do to other nations and with the blessings and assistance of Christian churches. In this century alone the Western nations have fought two world wars with tens of millions dead and untold misery for the living. For each victory in these two wars the church bells rang in the victorious countries. The first nation to make a weapon of mass destruction and the only one to use it is a Christian nation. Had not the toll of death mounted too high for the Americans there can be little doubt that the fate of North Vietnam would have been like that of Iraq: it would have been bombed to submission no matter how many Vietnamese lives would have been lost. The lesson learned in North Vietnam was not that there should be no more war but that never again the American casualties would be allowed to mount so high and never again the cameras would be allowed to get so near the horrors of war that a backlash against the war would be created in the public. Often Christian countries have some hand even in the violent conflicts in non-Christian countries in Africa and Asia. The colonial policy of divide and rule sowed seeds of conflicts that later resulted in violence between the groups that the colonial powers turned against one another. Palestinian-Jewish conflict and the Kashmir issue are among the legacy of colonialism. After the colonial period interference by the Western countries continued in the internal affairs of African and Asian countries. More recently, Iran-Iraq war was encouraged by the West so that the Islamic revolution in Iran may not spread to the Arabian peninsula. The military government in Algeria which cancelled the elections that Muslims were poised to win has the support of France and this support is partly responsible for the violence there, which, it seems, is mostly done by the military. In Rwanda the tribe that perpetuated a holocaust of another tribe follows the Catholic religion. The most cruel tyrant in history came from a Christian country and there has been no shortage of other somewhat less ruthless dictators in Christian countries, especially in South America and Africa. Even in terrorism, associated in the media mostly with the Muslims, it is the Christians that hold the record when it comes to the number of children and other innocent people killed. The Oklahoma bombing, carried out by people professing to be Christians, claimed more completely innocent victims than any other single act of terrorism. Terrorism in Northern Ireland which is a direct result of a sectarian conflict between Catholics and Protestants and is often supported by the religious leaders, has probably killed more children and innocent people than Middle East terrorism. Moreover, Muslim terrorism is mostly linked to the sort of unjust treatment suffered by the Palestinians whereas the Oklahoma bombing and, to a lesser degree, Irish terrorism is difficult to link in such a way. Now and then there appear religious sects whose beliefs lead them to violence. David Koreish armed his followers to teeth and led them to their violent death. There seem to exist several Millennium groups who are planning to engage in violence around the year 2000. Several doctors have been murdered by anti-abortionists and some Catholic leaders have not categorically condemned these killings. In some cases the violent impulses in Christian groups turn against the groups themselves. Jim Jones led hundreds of his followers to commit suicide. Then there is racial violence, by no means dissociated from Christianity. Black churches have been burned in America and recently some Americans tied a black man with a rope and dragged him by their truck until he died. Such acts are often carried out by members of groups who also carry crosses. And in South Africa the inhuman system of apartheid was maintained by the church-going white community with the blessing of the churches and indeed the apartheid was practiced by the churches themselves. At an individual level, too, most horrible examples of violence are seen in the Western Christian nations. In some American and British cities a car driver may take out his gun and shoot senselessly whoever happens to be passing by. There are many cases of church-going and Christmas-celebrating serial killers who are privately busy sexually attacking young men or women, killing them in the most horrible way, and then burying them in their backyards. Also, prior to the media focus on churches cases of gross sexual and other abuse of orphans by the Catholic priests and brothers were not infrequent. And there are even larger number of examples of church-going parents who torture their children to death or to destroy them mentally by incestuous relations. In one such case, an American father recently killed his … read more »
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>In the Middle Ages they came as crusaders.
In the Middle Ages, christians came as crusaders to free the Holy Sepulchre from the muslims who occuped it since centuries and prohibit to christian pilgrims to visit it. They came to stop the violences, the attacks, the lootings muslims were doing since more than 400 years against the christian countries. For example, muslims conquered Hungary and deported 3,100,000 people to sold them as slaves. Islam is a devil religion and will be defeated. You are a liar and God will send you in the Hell to burn for the eternity. Logos Remove A B C
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> Violence, Christianity and Islam
How the Media Misconstrue Jihad and the Crusades Timothy Furnish, Ph.D., Assistant Professor, World History, Georgia Perimeter College. http://hnn.us/articles/1178.html It’s axiomatic among historians that winners write (or sometimes rewrite) history. How strange it is, then, that on the topic of Jihads and their Western analog, the Crusades, the losers in the post-1492 struggle for world mastery (the Islamic world) and their willing spinmeisters (academics and media pundits) are currently foisting their ahistorical views on the rest of us. That view, a two-sided coin of deceit, consists of the following contentions: 1) that jihad almost always means "moral self-improvement in order to please God" and, on the rare occasion that it does take martial form, it only does so as a desperate defensive measure against the Christian West; and 2) that the history of Christian-Muslim interaction is almost entirely one of invasion and exploitation of the latter by the former, exemplified by the Crusades. As examples, consider these recent propaganda gems: 1) MSNBC, in a segment discussing the new PBS video "Muhammad: Legacy of a Prophet" (Dec. 18, 2002), runs a graphic explaining that the true definition of jihad is "the struggle to please God." 2) History Channel/A & E’s recent (summer 2002) "Inside Islam" special presents the Crusades as the first violent struggle between Christendom and the Islamic world. 3)U.S. News and World Report’s cover story "The First Holy War" (April 8, 2002) does likewise, claiming that "during the Crusades, East and West first met–on the battlefield." 4) History Channel/A & E’s (otherwise fine) 1995 video series "The Crusades" (hosted by former Monty Python member Terry Jones) has Salah al-Din, the Kurdish Muslim leader who retook Jerusalem from the Crusaders, telling Richard the Lion Heart that "this land has always been ours" and it also avers that jihad only developed as a response to the rapacious Crusades. 5) The PBS video "Islam: Empire of Faith" (2001) presents Islamic military expansion, both pre-modern and Ottoman, as natural and understandable and never calls it by its true name: jihad. Such examples could be multiplied many fold, if every self-styled expert on Islam who has been interviewed by any American newspaper since 9/11 were adduced. But sticking with the five aforementioned contentions, what is wrong with each of them? Re: 1) As Daniel Pipes and Douglas Streusand so convincingly point out, jihad does NOT mean primarily "the struggle to please God" but indeed–as both Islamic doctrinal writings (especially al-Bukhari’s ninth c. CE collection of Hadith, or traditions) and Islamic history demonstrate–"holy war." The so-called "greater jihad," which emphasizes conquering one’s sins, is actually a minority Sufi (Islamic mystic) view that is based on an untrustworthy, probably forged, tradition. Throughout most of Islamic history most Muslims, lay and scholar alike, have understood "jihad" in its Arabic dictionary–and Bin Ladinesque–sense of "holy war." (1) Re: 2) & 3) As Vincent Carroll so eloquently explains, only a historical ignoramus–or, I would add at the risk of redundancy, a tendentious PBS editor –could produce the claptrap statement that the Crusades marked the first time Islam and the West met on the battlefield. Islam began with one man in Mecca and, within less than two centuries, encompassed territory from the Iberian Peninsula to the Hindu Kush. This expansion did not happen peacefully. The Arab Muslim armies attacked and conquered Byzantine Christian territories in Syria and Egypt and, a bit later, Arab-Berber Muslim forces conquered the formerly Roman, but still Christian, cities and towns across North Africa and into what is now Spain and Portugal, ruling there for seven centuries. Muslim armies invaded the Frankish Kingdom, later to become France, in 732 and were defeated by Charlemagne’s grandfather, Charles Martel. Over the next three centuries the Sunni Muslim Seljuq Turks further dissected the Byzantine Empire, beginning a process that would be completed by their cousins the Ottomans, who conquered Constantinople in 1453 and ruled southeastern Europe for centuries.(2) So the Crusades, far from being the first time Muslims and Christians fought, were actually merely the first time that Christians, after four centuries of defeats, really fought BACK.(3) Re: 4) Salah al-Din’s quote — "this land has always been ours" — seems almost an Islamic version of the old Soviet Brezhnev Doctrine: once you go Communist–or in the case at hand, Muslim–you cannot go back. "This land has always been ours?!" That would have been news to the two major erstwhile denizens and rulers of the Holy Land, Jews and Christians (not to mention Romans, Persians, Assyrians, Philistines, Canaanites, etc.). Muslims didn’t conquer what is now Israel/Palestine until the mid-7th c. CE. And, as mentioned earlier, jihad existed in Islamic theory and practice long before the admittedly-nasty Crusaders showed up in the Middle East. The reason it took so long (almost two centuries) for the Muslim world to expel the Crusaders was NOT lack of a militant ideology but rather lack of a sufficiently strong and determined state–a deficiency which the Egyptian Mamluks rectified in the 13th c. CE. Re: 5) The Ottomans had as one of their long-term, explicit goals the complete conquest of Europe and often declared jihads in order to further this agenda. In 1529 and 1683 their holy wars took them to the gates of Vienna. In 1828 they declared an (unsuccessful) jihad against the Greeks’ attempt to gain independence. The Crimean War of 1854 prompted a jihad against France and Russia. The Ottomans fought World War I as an openly-trumpeted holy war against the British, French, Russians and (later) Americans. Now, one might argue that by the 19th century Ottoman jihads were merely a cynical, defensive propaganda ploy by the leadership of a tottering Islamic empire. Perhaps. But when the leading political (sultan-caliph) and religious (shaykh al-Islam) figures of the planet’s most powerful Islamic state call something a jihad, should we not take them at their word? Furthermore, it is worthy of note that far more people (mainly Armenians) died as part of that last Ottoman jihad against the Russians than died in all of the Crusades combined.(4) Two questions, to conclude: Why are influential segments of the American media perpetuating and, indeed, promoting, historically inaccurate views of two major post-9/11 issues: Jihad and the Crusades? And, more importantly, why does it matter? To answer the second question first: it matters because peoples’ view of history shapes their cultural and political views. We Americans are constantly reminded to pay attention to the "Muslim street," lest we callously provoke those millions for whom, allegedly, the Crusades of almost a millennium ago are still festering wounds. Yet, as Carroll observes, "if the impact of the Crusades ‘created a historical memory’ for Muslims, why isn’t the historical memory created among Christians by the Muslims conquests of the previous five centuries worth mentioning?" To that could be added: why aren’t the Ottoman conquests and jihads of the subsequent six centuries worthy of report? Indeed, for centuries Christian Europe lived in fear of "the Turk" and Luther even had a prayer specifically asking for deliverance from the Ottomans. 1683 is a lot nearer to our time than 1099. Attacks have not been all from West to (Middle) East, and it is high time the "Muslim street" received the solid food of historically accurate teaching rather than the milk of Islamic propaganda. This is not merely a tu quoque spat but a matter of accurately and fairly addressing the issues that divide the civilizations produced by the world’s two largest faiths, Christianity and Islam.(5) Ultimately, of course, modern Americans are in reality no more responsible for the Crusades than, say, modern Mongolians are for the Eurasian depredations of their ancestor Genghis Khan; less so, in fact (since many Americans are descended from societies which had nothing to do with the Crusades). What prevents this argument from becoming much ado about nothing are two things: 1) that Osamah bin Ladin and his ilk have been playing the "Crusades" card for a decade now, to no small effect; and, what’s almost as disturbing, 2) many American college students have internalized the neo-Marxist, "blame the West first" attitude, presented in high school history classes, along with the requisite guilt. Garbage in, garbage out then holds sway. Regarding the Jihads of the last 14 centuries, the useful idiots at PBS and MSNBC also present an ahistorical view but take the opposite tack from that vis-
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Mohammed’s beautiful morals caused him to cut off the heads of 800 Jewish prisoners that had surrendered to him. They caused him to enslave the women and children of these prisoners. They caused him to rape his female prisoners. They caused him to murder anyone who critizised him. They caused him to advocate lying for the benefit of Islam. They caused him to keep 28 slaves of his own. They caused him to rob caravans for the loot.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The Prophet’s Morals >Allah gifted His servant and Messenger (peace and blessings be upon >him) with all sublime morals. In this context, Almighty Allah says: >And surely thou hast sublime morals] (Al-Qalam 68:4). > ** This has gotta be true for damn sure because Allah/God is using > Elizabethan English – just like the KJV Bible. >On his part, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) >said, "I was sent (by Allah) to perfect the sublime morals." > ** If boning 9-yr old girls is perfect morals, what the hell is wrong > with Jacko boning 13-yr old boys? >`A’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) described the Prophet (peace >and blessings be upon him), saying, "His morals were the morals of >Qur’an." > (She was boned by the Prophet when she was 9) >… > — >
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> Yup. But that’s SERVED, not provided. If the crew is willing to > serve you your own, no problem.
That is 100% correct. It is up to the crew. And the three times I’ve done this in the past year (twice AA FC, the other VS UC) the FA has checked with the Purser/Head FA. If it needs either chilling or opening, I give the bottle to an FA as I board. 13 Dec 2003 AA FC LGW-RDU Chateau d’Yquem 1990 http://www.airlinemeals.net/images/meals/americanairlines164.jpg I can assure you that no airline on the planet provides Chateau d’Yquem 1990 on its wine list! 14 Dec 2003 AA FC RDU-LGW Chateau Pichon Longueville Baron 1997 http://www.airlinemeals.net/images/meals/americanairlines151.jpg 8 Oct 2004 VS UC LHR-IAD Chateau Suduiraut 1997 http://www.bloodboil.com/images/img_2559.jpg In this VS picture, they even provided me with the corkscrew to open it myself. Cheers, Howard
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| |> Yup. But that’s SERVED, not provided. If the crew is willing to |> serve you your own, no problem. | |That is 100% correct. It is up to the crew. And the three times I’ve done |this in the past year (twice AA FC, the other VS UC) the FA has checked with |the Purser/Head FA. | |If it needs either chilling or opening, I give the bottle to an FA as I |board. | |13 Dec 2003 AA FC LGW-RDU Chateau d’Yquem 1990 |http://www.airlinemeals.net/images/meals/americanairlines164.jpg |I can assure you that no airline on the planet provides Chateau d’Yquem 1990 |on its wine list! | |14 Dec 2003 AA FC RDU-LGW Chateau Pichon Longueville Baron 1997 |http://www.airlinemeals.net/images/meals/americanairlines151.jpg | |8 Oct 2004 VS UC LHR-IAD Chateau Suduiraut 1997 |http://www.bloodboil.com/images/img_2559.jpg |In this VS picture, they even provided me with the corkscrew to open it |myself. | |Cheers, Howard | Hi Howard Need a travelling companion? You supply the tix, I’ll supply the Penfold’s Bin 707 or St Henri:-) I must admit, I didn’t have the courage to ask them to open my bottles, I always opened them in the hotel and loosely re-corked. Cheers, Alan
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re: pillows/blankets: how to solve that costly frill problem Approx 50 years ago, for the first and last time, i purchased a greenish, lite "blanket," and vat a bargain it wasn’t I bought something (apparently it was in a marked-down package) that subsequently was found to be approximately one-fourth linty-clinging fragmentary material And so to this day when i think of obtaining a blanket, as per airline ideas here, a nauseating semi-hilarious memory cell flashes lintly
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> when a flight comes to the UK from america, during the turnaround >> blankets >> from the inbound flight are just refolded and reused. Any that are >> missing, >> new ones are taken out of the plastic bags and folded so passengers dont >> know the difference with the rest. Is this the same with other >> international flights with all american airlines or just tot eh UK. >Qantas to/from the US, the blankets come in sealed plastic bags. >ant
They do on most U.S. carriers’ international flights too, and they are not the same blankets as on the domestic flights. Jeff – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I thought that was standard on most airlines, apparently not US ones. > –==++AJC++==–
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yup. But that’s SERVED, not provided. If the crew is willing to > serve you your own, no problem. >That is 100% correct. It is up to the crew. And the three times I’ve done >this in the past year (twice AA FC, the other VS UC) the FA has checked with >the Purser/Head FA. >If it needs either chilling or opening, I give the bottle to an FA as I >board. >13 Dec 2003 AA FC LGW-RDU Chateau d’Yquem 1990 >http://www.airlinemeals.net/images/meals/americanairlines164.jpg >I can assure you that no airline on the planet provides Chateau d’Yquem 1990 >on its wine list! >14 Dec 2003 AA FC RDU-LGW Chateau Pichon Longueville Baron 1997 >http://www.airlinemeals.net/images/meals/americanairlines151.jpg >8 Oct 2004 VS UC LHR-IAD Chateau Suduiraut 1997 >http://www.bloodboil.com/images/img_2559.jpg >In this VS picture, they even provided me with the corkscrew to open it >myself. >Cheers, Howard
Sigh, but that plastic cutlery just ruins everything:-) –==++AJC++==–
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The blankets in most hotel bed are reused… sheets are changed but not necessarily blankets or spreads.
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All the stuff that airlines like Southwest got rid of long ago or never even had. No meals. No entertainement (other than the occassionally funny crew). And they are one of the country’s most successful carriers.
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> when a flight comes to the UK from america, during the turnaround blankets > from the inbound flight are just refolded and reused.
Next time you’re on such a flight, pay attention to the way they collect blankets after a flight and what sort of container they put in in. Consider how much time it would take for a crew to fold 300 blankets neatly. Blankets are most likely taken out and "procecessed", and different blankets brought in, pre-folded and looking "new". What that "processed" really means is the question. Could be just some machine that folds the blankets automatically with a bit of steam to press it into shape, could be dry cleaning, could be a lot of things.
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>on > >One bottle of wine, pre-opened so I didn’t need a corkscrew (even >with > >SSSS checks, it never seemed to occur to them what a nice weapon a > >broken bottle would have been). > I’m sure I’ve read in the rules that most airlines prohibit you > consuming alcohol on board, except for that served by them. >It’s an FAA reg. Only alcohol served by the aircraft operator (the >airline) can be consumed.
Yup. But that’s SERVED, not provided. If the crew is willing to serve you your own, no problem. Malc.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > | > | > |> You get what you pay for. > | > |Heh. You in the US don’t, and aren’t. > | > |ant > | > You left an "A" off mate. I’m in AUS. And you sure don’t get any more > than you pay for on Jetstar, Virgin and FreedomAir. > But you do get where you’re going safely and cheaply.
Flights in the US cost approximately what they do in Australia, and you get a lot less service, and what you get during the flight is pitiful. You don’t get what you pay for in the US, at all. ant
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> when a flight comes to the UK from america, during the turnaround blankets > from the inbound flight are just refolded and reused. Any that are > missing, > new ones are taken out of the plastic bags and folded so passengers dont > know the difference with the rest. Is this the same with other > international flights with all american airlines or just tot eh UK.
Qantas to/from the US, the blankets come in sealed plastic bags. ant
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> when a flight comes to the UK from america, during the turnaround blankets > from the inbound flight are just refolded and reused. Any that are > missing, > new ones are taken out of the plastic bags and folded so passengers dont > know the difference with the rest. Is this the same with other > international flights with all american airlines or just tot eh UK. >Qantas to/from the US, the blankets come in sealed plastic bags. >ant
I thought that was standard on most airlines, apparently not US ones. –==++AJC++==–
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>> One bottle of wine, pre-opened so I didn’t need a corkscrew (even with > SSSS checks, it never seemed to occur to them what a nice weapon a > broken bottle would have been). > I’m sure I’ve read in the rules that most airlines prohibit you > consuming alcohol on board, except for that served by them.
They are usually willing to serve you your own alcohol. miguel — Hit The Road! Photos from 35 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > |>One bottle of wine, pre-opened so I didn’t need a corkscrew (even with > |>SSSS checks, it never seemed to occur to them what a nice weapon a > |>broken bottle would have been). > | > |I’m sure I’ve read in the rules that most airlines prohibit you > |consuming alcohol on board, except for that served by them. > No argument, you’re probably right. However, the only airline steward > who ever challenged me on it was on Virgin Blue, back home.
The only time I ever took my own on board was on Egyptair. They were mini spirit bottles which I discreetly mixed with soft drinks. — David Horne- www.davidhorne.net usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
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on >One bottle of wine, pre-opened so I didn’t need a corkscrew (even with >SSSS checks, it never seemed to occur to them what a nice weapon a >broken bottle would have been). > I’m sure I’ve read in the rules that most airlines prohibit you > consuming alcohol on board, except for that served by them.
It’s an FAA reg. Only alcohol served by the aircraft operator (the airline) can be consumed.
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If its an issue for you bring your own. Keith —-== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com – Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==—- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups —-= East and West-Coast Server Farms – Total Privacy via Encryption =—-
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when a flight comes to the UK from america, during the turnaround blankets from the inbound flight are just refolded and reused. Any that are missing, new ones are taken out of the plastic bags and folded so passengers dont know the difference with the rest. Is this the same with other international flights with all american airlines or just tot eh UK. I’m sure all sorts of things happen to the blankets during the inbound flight, i just feel cheated that i have to use a blanket thats been used by someone else and not been told about it.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> American tosses pillows off most domestic flights > By Marilyn Adams, USA TODAY > Flying is about to get a bit harder. Literally. > Airline pillows are soon coming off most of American Airlines’ > domestic flights to cut costs. > Estimated savings: $375,000 a year. > The world’s largest airline, American said Tuesday that pillows will > be removed from first-class and coach cabins on all domestic flights > except transcontinental trips and flights to Hawaii starting Feb. 15. > Pillows will disappear from all Boeing 737s and 757s and Airbus A300s, > spokesman Tim Wagner says. > International flights will not be affected. > American, which averted a bankruptcy-reorganization filing in 2003, > lost $761 million last year. The new pillow policy was first reported > by the Dallas Morning News. > American pulled pillows from its MD-80 fleet in November to save > $300,000 a year, then decided to widen the action. It costs money to > replace pillows when they get soiled. > "We had some resistance from customers initially, but complaints > dropped off," Wagner says. > Blankets will remain on all flights to keep passengers warm when > cabins get cold. They can serve as pillows if necessary, he said. > American is hoping most passengers won’t care that pillows are gone. > "I have never used pillows on American or any other carrier," says > James Espy, president of a Christopher, Ill.-based company that makes > Christmas decorations. "Have you looked at these specimens? How often > are they cleaned?" > But not all passengers will bid farewell to pillows lightly. > Dallas-based flier Kathy Anthon has back trouble and already misses > pillows on her American MD80 flights. > "I hate to have to bring one with me, but a rolled-up blanket just > doesn’t work as well," says Anthon, who works for Iwatsu, the phone > system maker. > Business flier Tom Taylor of Lansing, Mich., uses pillows to add > cushion to rock-hard airplane seats. > "Two of them on the seat makes it a bit more comfortable," Taylor > says. > Washington-based frequent flier David Blanchard says he’ll never > substitute a blanket for a pillow because airplane blankets collect > germs, too. > "I can’t tell you how many times I’ve seen people wrap their feet in > them," he says. > American isn’t the only big airline making pillows scarce. > Starting last week, Delta Air Lines moved pillows to the back of all > planes on flights from its Atlanta home base to speed up boarding and > improve on-time performance. Pillows take up valuable space in > overhead compartments, where carry-on bags need to go, Delta says. > Delta passengers will have to ask a flight attendant for a pillow. > http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2005-02-08-pillows-usat_x.htm
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>One bottle of wine, pre-opened so I didn’t need a corkscrew (even with >SSSS checks, it never seemed to occur to them what a nice weapon a >broken bottle would have been).
I’m sure I’ve read in the rules that most airlines prohibit you consuming alcohol on board, except for that served by them. — Roland Perry
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|>One bottle of wine, pre-opened so I didn’t need a corkscrew (even with |>SSSS checks, it never seemed to occur to them what a nice weapon a |>broken bottle would have been). | |I’m sure I’ve read in the rules that most airlines prohibit you |consuming alcohol on board, except for that served by them. No argument, you’re probably right. However, the only airline steward who ever challenged me on it was on Virgin Blue, back home. In ‘03 I drank the wine I took on board on six AA flights, Air Nostrum, and Aer Lingus. All of the stewards were aware of it, none objected. There was no need to on Qantas, Iberian or BA as they all supplied it free anyway. I took my own salads on most (as a diabetic), but the food provided on Qantas and BA was adequate and Iberian was excellent (the only good thing I can say about them:-) Cheers, Alan
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> You get what you pay for.
Heh. You in the US don’t, and aren’t. ant
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| |> You get what you pay for. | |Heh. You in the US don’t, and aren’t. | |ant | You left an "A" off mate. I’m in AUS. And you sure don’t get any more than you pay for on Jetstar, Virgin and FreedomAir. But you do get where you’re going safely and cheaply. Cheers, Alan
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The solution: bring your own pillow. Or use an extra shirt or sweater >for the same purpose. >W : ) > Gee, let’s see. First they cut back on the onboard entertainment and reading > material and other amenities they had before like playing cards etc. So we have > to bring our home libraries and entertainment centers with us. Next they > stopped serving meals so we have to lug around our meals with us through untold > number of airport terminals and concourses during tight connections. Then they > take out the pillows so now we have to bring them from home too. Soon the > blankets will be gone also, of course, so we will have to bring our comforters > from home too. And all this has to fit within the limited space of our > restricted carryon???
Are you saying you actually use the airline pillows? I’ve seen them under peoples bare feet, under peoples asses, and a few other places. Not to mention under some peoples heads, and you don’t know what they may have to pass along to the next person.
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| |>The solution: bring your own pillow. Or use an extra shirt or sweater |>for the same purpose. |> |> |>W : ) | |Gee, let’s see. First they cut back on the onboard entertainment and reading |material and other amenities they had before like playing cards etc. So we have |to bring our home libraries and entertainment centers with us. Next they |stopped serving meals so we have to lug around our meals with us through untold |number of airport terminals and concourses during tight connections. Then they |take out the pillows so now we have to bring them from home too. Soon the |blankets will be gone also, of course, so we will have to bring our comforters |from home too. And all this has to fit within the limited space of our |restricted carryon??? Gee, life is tough… I have one major requirement with any airline I travel with: I walk away from the landing without needing assistance. One thing I learnt early from my pilot friends when I was in the service – any landing you walk away from is a good landing. A secondary, but also important requirement is: The landing is in the place I intended at the time I intended. A tertiary requirement is: The flight and the seating were reasonably comfortable. The rest are frills that I would love to have but come far behind the first two. So, in my little collapsible twin-compartment cooler I took: A pre packed Ham or chicken salad for myself and my wife (Never, ever, ever, order a diabetic meal in advance – better to select from whatever’s going). Most airports will sell you a packed Caesar salad or similar. One bottle of wine, pre-opened so I didn’t need a corkscrew (even with SSSS checks, it never seemed to occur to them what a nice weapon a broken bottle would have been). Two blow-up plastic pillows. Plastic cutlery. One small wineglass (same logic as the bottle:-) Various medications. A paperback book or two. A large bottle of water. Two cans of diet soda. And various other little knick-nacks, band-aids, face towelettes etc for comfort, including some spare headsets from the first flight on the trip. All in the space of a 30cm (1′) cube, with a couple of freezer bricks in it to keep things cool. I’ll always cherish the memory of a voice floating forward to us, on the AA flight from JFK to STT as we unpacked our salads and I poured the wine, as the AA stewards dispensed coke and peanuts: "Stewardess, could I have what they are having please?" A little personal preparation can pay very large dividends in terms of comfort. You get what you pay for. Cheers, Alan
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re: good riddance to the notorious pillow frill of that decadent airline (apparently thanks to a bad decision made by chairperson by r.c. smith, circa 1950s) and so, here’s other shrewd, adaptive measures prompted by the truly wise airline company’s profound economic decision: 10. Eliminate that outrageous cotton in medicine & vitamin plastic bottles 9. Save Trees: Telephone directories should utilize smaller type & thinner onion skin paper 8. Ban Sunday NY TIMES’ "The Week In Review," because that’s history, schnook 7. SUVs should not slow/stop at yellow stop-lights in order to save gasolene to guzzle 6. Step on used gum on sidewalk to seal soles against inevitable dog & cat shite 5. Two Wasteful Words: Porch Lights 4. Ban neck ties, because bow ties use-up less luxury decorative cloth 3. Three or four MORE car commercials during the local 11pm tv newscasts, instead of the only three or four in-a-row now (an "economiies of boredumb scale" or sumthin measure) 2. Instead of that supercillious prolonged, "welcome to walmart," why not just an "hey" 1. Eliminate that excessive, "thank you for flying American," because w/o a fresh pillow cushioning one’s head on window, one may not hear of the sincere gratitude because of nerves jangled from that damne airplane vibration
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The solution: bring your own pillow. Or use an extra shirt or sweater for the same purpose. W : )
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I think that the very least the gay male populace owes us breeders for the precious gift of AIDS is a little tax. Besides, everyone knows poor blacks and hispanics breed like rabbits, not middle-class whites. The money we "waste" on our kids is a necessary expense in order to carry the burden of reproduction given to us by gays who have no hope of ever bearing, er, fruit. So, to sum up: AIDS + weight of survival of the human race on our backs = tax on gays.
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>I think that the very least the gay male populace owes us breeders for >the precious gift of AIDS is a little tax. Besides, everyone knows >poor blacks and hispanics breed like rabbits, not middle-class whites. >The money we "waste" on our kids is a necessary expense in order to >carry the burden of reproduction given to us by gays who have no hope >of ever bearing, er, fruit. So, to sum up: AIDS + weight of survival >of the human race on our backs = tax on gays.
Wanting to tax gay people is an unusually gay thing to want to do. — There is only room enough in this world for one Mojo Jojo –Mojo Jojo
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What the hell are you talking about? No, seriously? – Eric F
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he’s just a bored person looking for a reaction. never posted anything on this site before, and will subject some other ng to his blather soon enough.
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First, there aren’t that many gays to begin with, and secondly, gays already pay more tax because they go into gay businesses that make a lot of money. Thirdly, do you want the IRS in not only your bank accounts but in your house, checking to see who is having gay sex and who isn’t? Bad idea.
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>I think that the very least the gay male populace owes us breeders for > the precious gift of AIDS is a little tax. Besides, everyone knows > poor blacks and hispanics breed like rabbits, not middle-class whites. > The money we "waste" on our kids is a necessary expense in order to > carry the burden of reproduction given to us by gays who have no hope > of ever bearing, er, fruit. So, to sum up: AIDS + weight of survival > of the human race on our backs = tax on gays.
BRAVO!
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I think that the very least the gay male populace owes us breeders for > the precious gift of AIDS is a little tax. Besides, everyone knows > poor blacks and hispanics breed like rabbits, not middle-class whites. > The money we "waste" on our kids is a necessary expense in order to > carry the burden of reproduction given to us by gays who have no hope > of ever bearing, er, fruit. So, to sum up: AIDS + weight of survival > of the human race on our backs = tax on gays. > BRAVO!
Bob
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>I think that the very least the gay male populace owes us breeders for > the precious gift of AIDS is a little tax. Besides, everyone knows > poor blacks and hispanics breed like rabbits, not middle-class whites. > The money we "waste" on our kids is a necessary expense in order to > carry the burden of reproduction given to us by gays who have no hope > of ever bearing, er, fruit. So, to sum up: AIDS + weight of survival > of the human race on our backs = tax on gays.
Hmmmm, well we all know that the folks in favor of more taxation are liberals and/or Democrats, so I guess this is a test-run for a plank for next election’s Democratic Party platform. Apparently losing a lot of votes on the gay marriage thing really got their attention.
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http://www.negativepositive.org/fuck-canada.html
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> http://www.negativepositive.org/fuck-canada.html
Speaking of morons…. Bob
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> http://www.negativepositive.org/fuck-canada.html
And the moron responds…. Bob
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> http://www.negativepositive.org/fuck-canada.html
I did indeed say moron- can I get a hallelujah? Bob
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I think that the very least the gay male populace owes us breeders for > the precious gift of AIDS is a little tax. Besides, everyone knows > poor blacks and hispanics breed like rabbits, not middle-class whites. > The money we "waste" on our kids is a necessary expense in order to > carry the burden of reproduction given to us by gays who have no hope > of ever bearing, er, fruit. So, to sum up: AIDS + weight of survival > of the human race on our backs = tax on gays. > Hmmmm, well we all know that the folks in favor of more taxation are > liberals and/or Democrats, so I guess this is a test-run for a plank for > next election’s Democratic Party platform. Apparently losing a lot of votes > on the gay marriage thing really got their attention.
Hmmm, well we all know that the folks in favour of fucking the poor up the ass are conservatives and/or Repuklicons, so I guess that the budget will never get passed. That should get the dumb fuck’s attention. Bob
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